guys just arrived at boat to go fishing and shes under the water and the seagull is on the boat .
i checked it yesterday all was fine i am thinking with all the rain last night and the boat has lay on its side as it is moored on a slight slope its filled up on flood. will know more at low water later,
so what to do with the seagull if i retrieve it clean and dry electrics. clean tank and carb out.
but will it need a full strip down thanks in advance garry.
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I'm no expert on Seagulls but having pulled mine apart and put it back together again, it's not unlike any other piece of combustion powered machinery that's been submerged, and I've dealt with a few of those.
It's not like it's been there for sometime so I reckon shake it till it's free of the salty ? wet stuff, remove carb bowl and spark plug then a good dose of compressed air to blow out any water ingress ( not forgetting elf n safety glasses if your that way inclined ) and followed by something of a moisture repellant spray such as some ACF50 http://www.acf-50.co.uk/marine.htm or similar. I've been using ACF50 for years on motorbikes used throughout winter on recommendation of a lad at work who flys light aircraft. Stops salt corrosion in its tracks.
Then if you know someone who works where there is a boiler house going 24/7,( I used to work in a feed mill where steam was used so always made used of the boiler room to dry things quickly) drain the fuel and leave it standing in a boiler room or similar warm place overnight.
...and I'll bet there will be some Profishionals along with some ideas soon
Cheers
Pricey
It's not like it's been there for sometime so I reckon shake it till it's free of the salty ? wet stuff, remove carb bowl and spark plug then a good dose of compressed air to blow out any water ingress ( not forgetting elf n safety glasses if your that way inclined ) and followed by something of a moisture repellant spray such as some ACF50 http://www.acf-50.co.uk/marine.htm or similar. I've been using ACF50 for years on motorbikes used throughout winter on recommendation of a lad at work who flys light aircraft. Stops salt corrosion in its tracks.
Then if you know someone who works where there is a boiler house going 24/7,( I used to work in a feed mill where steam was used so always made used of the boiler room to dry things quickly) drain the fuel and leave it standing in a boiler room or similar warm place overnight.
...and I'll bet there will be some Profishionals along with some ideas soon
Cheers
Pricey
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hi there pricey there is an outlet up the road that sells acf50 for airplanes and guess what i do have access to a boiler house but not till saturday.
thanks for your help much appreciated. garry
thanks for your help much appreciated. garry
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headdownarseup
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Re: under water
As long as the ignition is dry (and hopefully still making sparks) and the fuel system has been drained of any water, it should go pretty much straight away.
A little oil down the bore after the spark plug has been dried out is a good move.
I wouldn't leave it too long before it gets a run with maybe a splash more oil in the mix than it's used to.
Sooner the better really...
just my thoughts
good luck
jon
A little oil down the bore after the spark plug has been dried out is a good move.
I wouldn't leave it too long before it gets a run with maybe a splash more oil in the mix than it's used to.
Sooner the better really...
just my thoughts
good luck
jon
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just got back half hour ago and i have got the old girl back. bit late to start striping her so she is dunked in a wheelie bin up side down in some fresh water until tomorrow hope thats fine.
a friend advised to slow down any corrosion. i have owned her for a long time so happy to be reunited.
i will flush it out tomorrow with fresh water empty a can of acf50 in to her and clean carb and tank oil down the bore and hair dryer on the ignition
system. i take it if i spray the points and coil with wd40 that would be ok. thanks jon for input.
the boat is fine bailed it out and pulled it up bank with truck. garry
a friend advised to slow down any corrosion. i have owned her for a long time so happy to be reunited.
i will flush it out tomorrow with fresh water empty a can of acf50 in to her and clean carb and tank oil down the bore and hair dryer on the ignition
system. i take it if i spray the points and coil with wd40 that would be ok. thanks jon for input.
the boat is fine bailed it out and pulled it up bank with truck. garry
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BroadReach
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Re: under water
Others more knowledgeable than me may offer different advice.
I am unsure about the dunking upside down in a wheely bin full of water. Personally I would try to dry the ignition out asap. Especially if it is the Villiers magneto with the varnished paper insulation.
I'd go along with the first aid of moisture dispersant. Drain all water out from everywhere fully includong the crank case and bore. Oil down the bore etc.
Scrap all fuel and clean out carb etc and refuel.
Most importantly, get her running ASAP. And give her a good long run at that.
You can always do a strip down later if you wish.
Not that I have ever dunked a gull.
I am unsure about the dunking upside down in a wheely bin full of water. Personally I would try to dry the ignition out asap. Especially if it is the Villiers magneto with the varnished paper insulation.
I'd go along with the first aid of moisture dispersant. Drain all water out from everywhere fully includong the crank case and bore. Oil down the bore etc.
Scrap all fuel and clean out carb etc and refuel.
Most importantly, get her running ASAP. And give her a good long run at that.
You can always do a strip down later if you wish.
Not that I have ever dunked a gull.
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Re: under water
To add your mooring is interesting. How have you configured the sinkers and mooring lines?
Unless you can guarantee drying out in the centre of the channel, pointing along it, it looks like there is a risk of rolling at least partly over. Roll too far and you will downflood as the tide rises.
I guess you could moor further up the bank, stern down but then loose a lot of opportunities with the tide?
Unless you can guarantee drying out in the centre of the channel, pointing along it, it looks like there is a risk of rolling at least partly over. Roll too far and you will downflood as the tide rises.
I guess you could moor further up the bank, stern down but then loose a lot of opportunities with the tide?
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thanks broadreach any advise is welcome and taken on board.
as for the mooring it has always been trickey being tidle things change fast, the banks of latley have been shifting and dropping tide by tide
from what i can gather the boat was on the mud flat yesterday i think the bank fell in and as you stated boat rolled. the boat slipped down and filled up.
i had the seagull chained to the front starboard and felt unhappy about this due to the incline of the bank, but with a few year experiance went with it.
mistake. gut feeling should have been followed. as you can see its a bit s***y down there and at 50 the pulling and dragging is getting a ba*l ache
but have done this for36 years and still learning . yes tide hights predict as an when i get out and then in it a balancing act as to where to tie boat up.
thank you all for taking the time to reply. your help is invaluable. kind regard garry.
as for the mooring it has always been trickey being tidle things change fast, the banks of latley have been shifting and dropping tide by tide
from what i can gather the boat was on the mud flat yesterday i think the bank fell in and as you stated boat rolled. the boat slipped down and filled up.
i had the seagull chained to the front starboard and felt unhappy about this due to the incline of the bank, but with a few year experiance went with it.
mistake. gut feeling should have been followed. as you can see its a bit s***y down there and at 50 the pulling and dragging is getting a ba*l ache
but have done this for36 years and still learning . yes tide hights predict as an when i get out and then in it a balancing act as to where to tie boat up.
thank you all for taking the time to reply. your help is invaluable. kind regard garry.
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ps broadreach your mooring skills are solid. regards garry.
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well high tide at 0232 mostyn docks not long to wait. the boat is more trouble than my three kids.
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sorry turning this into face f*********
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Dinghy fisherman
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Re: under water
Just seen this. 
As a fellow fisherman im gutted for you but know how these things can happen but also know that with a little work they are soon put right. Seen this kind of thing many times here on the river and on the beaches with the beach yawls turning over on launch or retrieve and the river boats being hung from their mooring lines. Once their gunwales go under nature takes its course and rolls them over.
On a lighter note not all is lost with your outboard. Years ago i dropped a long shaft seagull in abut 13ft of water as i was fitting it to the transome of a boat i once owned. 48hrs later after making a grappling hook, a bit of sweat and a hell of a lot of swearing and self name calling i managed to pull it from the river. Covered in smelly black silt I, like yourself dunked it in a butt of clean water to remove the worst, plenty of forced air from compressor unit before a few days spent in my shed in front of two parrafin greenhouse heaters.
New plug, fuel and plenty of easy start down the plug hole after she was dry, along with spray carb cleaner for the carb and one hell of a lot of time at the pull cord she started, all be it very rough but she started. This was enough to allow clean water to be flushed before being sent to a mate for a good clean and setting up as at that point my knowledge of seagulls was nill.
I wish you all the best in getting her back to her old self and if i were living closer i would turn up in my waders along with sponge, mop and bucket and help clean the dinghy of a fellow angler.
Let us know how it all goes.
DF
As a fellow fisherman im gutted for you but know how these things can happen but also know that with a little work they are soon put right. Seen this kind of thing many times here on the river and on the beaches with the beach yawls turning over on launch or retrieve and the river boats being hung from their mooring lines. Once their gunwales go under nature takes its course and rolls them over.
On a lighter note not all is lost with your outboard. Years ago i dropped a long shaft seagull in abut 13ft of water as i was fitting it to the transome of a boat i once owned. 48hrs later after making a grappling hook, a bit of sweat and a hell of a lot of swearing and self name calling i managed to pull it from the river. Covered in smelly black silt I, like yourself dunked it in a butt of clean water to remove the worst, plenty of forced air from compressor unit before a few days spent in my shed in front of two parrafin greenhouse heaters.
New plug, fuel and plenty of easy start down the plug hole after she was dry, along with spray carb cleaner for the carb and one hell of a lot of time at the pull cord she started, all be it very rough but she started. This was enough to allow clean water to be flushed before being sent to a mate for a good clean and setting up as at that point my knowledge of seagulls was nill.
I wish you all the best in getting her back to her old self and if i were living closer i would turn up in my waders along with sponge, mop and bucket and help clean the dinghy of a fellow angler.
Let us know how it all goes.
DF
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Re: under water
Sorry to read that you have "Bird Down".
By the pics salt water and mud.
The mud and fine silt needs to be completely removed from all internals I am afraid. It will be as grinding paste forever if you are slap happy with this.
Submerged in fresh water is good. Must be done but not to wash or clean.........just until you have a few hours uninterrupted to completely dismantle and CLEAN.
Must be done in one hit.
Mark big end cap and top and bottom rings so all goes back as it was. Replace piston pin clips if in doubt.
Assemble at leisure and all will be well.
The really hard yards is getting that wonderful floater back to being a clean boater.
B
PS: The ignition/magneto etc is easy........make sure clean then use liberal amounts of Metholated Spirits like drench it and let dry. That will remove all moisture.
By the pics salt water and mud.
The mud and fine silt needs to be completely removed from all internals I am afraid. It will be as grinding paste forever if you are slap happy with this.
Submerged in fresh water is good. Must be done but not to wash or clean.........just until you have a few hours uninterrupted to completely dismantle and CLEAN.
Must be done in one hit.
Mark big end cap and top and bottom rings so all goes back as it was. Replace piston pin clips if in doubt.
Assemble at leisure and all will be well.
The really hard yards is getting that wonderful floater back to being a clean boater.
B
PS: The ignition/magneto etc is easy........make sure clean then use liberal amounts of Metholated Spirits like drench it and let dry. That will remove all moisture.
A chicken is one egg's way of becoming others
Re: under water
many thanks DF for your support and kind offer of help.
i flushed the engine out with fresh water striped carb, tank and fuel line/tap and cleaned in heating oil also poured a half gallon of the stuff down plug hole and in the carb orifice give the gull a shake then used an air line ( with gloves and mask and goggles on)
a full can of wd was sprayed libraly on ignition and in to engine i then spun the moter slow speed with drill.
reasembled added fresh fuel checked the spark excellent
first pull a back fire second pull she fired, third pull it ran smoke every where but no cooling water.
back flushed in let and outlet.
the old girl is running like a treat what an amazing bit of british engineering these seagulls are make you proud.
collector inspector thank you for your advice and i am now thinking about a full strip it would make sense.
thanks all for help and support. i think a donation to the club is in line its a great club and find my self visiting most days now. kind regards garry
i flushed the engine out with fresh water striped carb, tank and fuel line/tap and cleaned in heating oil also poured a half gallon of the stuff down plug hole and in the carb orifice give the gull a shake then used an air line ( with gloves and mask and goggles on)
a full can of wd was sprayed libraly on ignition and in to engine i then spun the moter slow speed with drill.
reasembled added fresh fuel checked the spark excellent
first pull a back fire second pull she fired, third pull it ran smoke every where but no cooling water.
back flushed in let and outlet.
the old girl is running like a treat what an amazing bit of british engineering these seagulls are make you proud.
collector inspector thank you for your advice and i am now thinking about a full strip it would make sense.
thanks all for help and support. i think a donation to the club is in line its a great club and find my self visiting most days now. kind regards garry
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Re: under water
So glad you have it running but like has been said, spend some time on her as you wont regret it in the future
It's not the size of your rod that counts, it's how deep you can waggle your maggot.