Confused as Usual!
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Indeed, but this model seagal is happy to fasten to the gunwale in an operating position downwind. Tho there was a time that she placed a foot on the flywheel..... it gave her quite a turn!chris wrote:Interesting other model of the seagull you have there, I find if you want to take that one on a long trip don't forget the pee bucket.
Technically that one will fit, but it isn't the right one. It's a bit later. Your SD should have one with a 'straight out of the back' exhaust, and the oil nipples.
But it'll fir.
The broad arrow you referred to earlier would most probably have been a circular stamp with a small arraow in the middle and a couple of numbers, with 'C.I.E.S.S' along the inner top.
But it'll fir.
The broad arrow you referred to earlier would most probably have been a circular stamp with a small arraow in the middle and a couple of numbers, with 'C.I.E.S.S' along the inner top.
Difficult to tell from that photo.
The 'bent over' bracket screws are, as you suggest, the earlier version of the thumbscrews for the bracket that is attached to this motor; that bracket didn't appear until well after the war. However, as loads of Seagulls during the war were supplied without standard transom brackets lots of brackets were added later.
I can't see from the photos the three most important features that help to date a 102:
1) The serial letters/number. That's an absolute indication of the model type, (at least of the crankcase!)
2) The magneto - all the wartime and earlier models had the 'dished' magneto. A four spoke flywheel and a larger pair of poles/coil together with a screw adjustable points set distinguish this one once the cover is off. But the main difference is the raised rope pull start, the top is like a flattened cone.
3)The tank - is it brass or steel, what sort of filler cap (bayonet or screw), and if it's a steel tank, where is the filler?
4) The water jacket - is it a short one?
Having said that, all the 102s from 1936 to the eighties are very similar. The owner of one of the very first (an OJ) would instantly recognise an example from the very last batches assembled in the eighties - even though the later one may have electronic ignition and a recoil start.
The other Charles may wish to jump in here, but I believe the age of the motor has virtually no bearing on its performance. Many reckon the older ones are in fact better...
The 'bent over' bracket screws are, as you suggest, the earlier version of the thumbscrews for the bracket that is attached to this motor; that bracket didn't appear until well after the war. However, as loads of Seagulls during the war were supplied without standard transom brackets lots of brackets were added later.
I can't see from the photos the three most important features that help to date a 102:
1) The serial letters/number. That's an absolute indication of the model type, (at least of the crankcase!)
2) The magneto - all the wartime and earlier models had the 'dished' magneto. A four spoke flywheel and a larger pair of poles/coil together with a screw adjustable points set distinguish this one once the cover is off. But the main difference is the raised rope pull start, the top is like a flattened cone.
3)The tank - is it brass or steel, what sort of filler cap (bayonet or screw), and if it's a steel tank, where is the filler?
4) The water jacket - is it a short one?
Having said that, all the 102s from 1936 to the eighties are very similar. The owner of one of the very first (an OJ) would instantly recognise an example from the very last batches assembled in the eighties - even though the later one may have electronic ignition and a recoil start.
The other Charles may wish to jump in here, but I believe the age of the motor has virtually no bearing on its performance. Many reckon the older ones are in fact better...
Well it is AD 6809 so nothing too special (48/49) but it is complete and has all the parts for another AD I have so between the two I'll have a good motor with plenty of spare parts. Someone chromed the tank which looks odd but it has a big ding in the front.... shame as there are no dings at the ends. Tiller handle is longer than normal. The carry handle is brilliant.... I would certainly recommend that. Nippled gearbox. I will now be able to have two matched AD's for my boat. And.... YAY.... it has the brass points cover still! I have a bit of a fetish for them
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Hugo.

Hugo.
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Six years later and I've finally landed the correct bottom end. Three nipples, straight out exhaust and clutch. Has nice looking transom bracket with the L shape thumb screws but a villiers carb?? Original spark plug by the looks. Ebay Item number: 181320758301 Paid top price though. The SD was only $80 six years ago.
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Very well done! Hope to see the stages of the restoration!
I love the 10600/145 turns!!!