Couple of old dears

[ghettofarmulous]

Hello!

First time poster, long time lurker. My grandfather used to keep a seagull so I am excited to buy my first old dear.

I have been offered two engines for 100 quid by a friend of the family who is visiting from south england but I wouldnt like to make him haul the engines up in the car if spares can not be got. Could anybody advise if these engine are worth restoring. I asked him to send me the numbers as these seem to be important when trying to get spares. Really looking forward to getting out on the water with a Seagull. Advise would be great as i am still learning:)

Thank you

SJPL 867W7

SD 35483L8

[Stelios_Rjk]

Both engines worth restoring and spares are available. It may be a little bit tricky to find some parts but I don't think that you won't be able to finish your restoration.
Coils are the most expensive parts so if those engines doesn't have spark you have to decide if you want to proceed or not.

Original SDs are rare, so if you want to go on with one engine I would suggest to choose the SD.

Do you know whether those engines are runners, pumps water, are complete or not?

[ghettofarmulous]

Thank you stelios, I don't know the status of either engine, I just talked to my guy and he said he would bring them up for a look. He also said he could not find the mounting brackets for the Sd but I may take them anyway and save a couple.

For an SD of this type could you tell me what to look for? Type if carb? Flywheel cap type?

[Niander101]

Put some pics of them on here well tell you whats right on them

[ghettofarmulous]

Ah that's an idea, I'll have to wait until they arrive as getting the serial numbers was hard enough:)

[Stelios_Rjk]

Have a look at the following links. Many members have restored or are restoring an SD. The carb is the amal twin jet (46N) and the original magneto is the early villiers (coolie hat cover). The SJP (L means longshaft, omit this letter on the identifier) should have Mark1 villiers magneto (flat cover).

http://www.seagullparts.co.uk/ignition2.html
http://www.saving-old-seagulls.co.uk/i_ ... eagull.php
http://www.saving-old-seagulls.co.uk/i_ ... eagull.htm

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3903
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2627&hilit=sd+restoration+sd#p17700

SD is a 102 model.
SJP is a forty model.

[ghettofarmulous]

Excellent liks to the threads. Thank you for that. i will spend the next few days searching the forums and loking at said threads before i make a decision. Again thanks for input and ill make sure to post pictures for your the pleasure of your eyes

[Stelios_Rjk]

[ghettofarmulous]

Hello,

I picked up the two motors this morning for £100. Both look in good condition, have good compression and turn free. Have now stored them at a friends shed until i move house on the 1st.

I will be restoring the SD and selling the 40 plus on.

A few pictures.

[ghettofarmulous]

And the round tank looks like it is rusting and doesnt have the same feel as the brass tank on the 40 plus. Did British seagull ever make steel round tanks?

[Hugz]

Yep, that is the correct tank for an SD. Last of the steel ones until a couple of decades later. Looks as though essentially all there.

[Stelios_Rjk]

Looks like a good engine to restore. Most original parts are there (tank, throttle lever, magneto). The carb may be a later one but it's OK.
You can replace the inlet with a polished brass one similar to this one fitted here



But this will be the last think to do. I see you have to remove much dirt over there!

[ghettofarmulous]

Thats a nice engine there, I can see the difference with the carb. I like the trumpet look. Im hoping the steel tank can be salvaged and not too rusted inside. This weekend ill take better quality photos when iv got a chance to clean it up. White spirits all over and a wipe with a rag

I got a box of parts with the engines. Dont know what I have except for throttle cables and if the actual throttles are from the 102. Ill prob end up selling what ever i dont need on here.
When i asked the guy I got them from he said he picked it all up at a car boot. I thought he owned these so dont know history.

[david doyle]

Nice lot of Wipac magneto parts, carb spring, HT lead, fuel tap, proabbaley a 25:1 conversion needle(?) all great bits to have for sure. The cork gaskets go under a wipac coil, the points are wipac and the flat bits with a hole and screw are for securing an HT lead to wipac magneto. Keep at least one of each for sure.

Just a thought (and I cannot see the pics of the 40 plus) if the 40 is in good shape, has a brass tank, is not all rotten, good chrome and no buggered bolts etc consider holding onto it as well as the SD (obviously). The price of them over on your island is so cheap that it seems a shame to forgo ownership in lieu of a such small money. They are great little engines a real joy to pluck out of the trunk with one hand. From my limited exposure to the market it appears that while there is a 40 in every British shed very crisp examples are the minority (?).

EDIT;
Just looked at the pics again and noticed a fly tying bobbin under the pile. Do you tie flies or was that with the parts? You know a built wing salmon fly with the right mix of jungle cock (brass), silver tinsel (chrome) and dyed black goose might catch on with the seagull crowd, You could call it the two stroker and the angler could choose his own meaning

[Collector Inspector]

Both of those in the chook shed and you are away.

Nice introduction to Gulling with an SD first off by the way.

Have fun and keep us informed aye.

B