TC's 1975 WSPCL "Maiden" voyage: A Recap

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TC's 1975 WSPCL "Maiden" voyage: A Recap

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Finally, almost two years to the day I literally pulled her out of a scrap metal heap, the Seagull was mounted to a boat and taken out on a freshwater lake in Sullivan County, NY. For posterity, my wife was shooting it on video. (She pretended to understand why I wanted it taped, but her bemused countenance gave her away.) My youngest children, ages 8 and 6, were equally excited about the prospects of being a part of this momentous day; when offered the once-in-a-lifetime chance to be on board when the thirty-two year old engine tore the local fish and flora to pieces, they expressed their joy by saying, "Oooh, look! A chipmunk!" as they scattered in separate directions. I made a mental note to make extra lima beans for their dinners this week. :twisted:
I had her mounted on an old round-bottom aluminum dingy. I noticed right away that the prop was well below the recommended depth, nearly a full 14" from the water line to the pinch bolt. (It seems the long shaft is a little too long for the boat.)
Let me say one thing about this outboard that puts other outboards to shame: she started on the first pull. I opened the fuel tap, primed the Amal until it dripped, choked it rich, pulled the cord once and she rumbled to life. She was clutched, and had a irregular stream of water coming from the head, and a strong stream coming out of the drive leg. With no small degree of ceremony, I engaged the gears. With a slight jolt, she kicked in and began pushing the boat through the water. A wave to the camera and I was on my way.
First thing I find I need to pay attention to is the throttle. It moves to the right on its own, and needs to have a thumb on it to keep it going. Still, she's pushing the bow through calm waters well, if not quietly. This motor is anything but stealthy. The not quite deafening rumble is comforting in its consistency; I never liked that my Mercury sounds like my trolling motor. As a former AMC mechanic, I take great solace in hearing the engine and "feeling the road". (Note: I am aware of the irony of the words 'AMC' and 'mechanic' appearing in the same sentence. I intended no redundancy or pun. Thank you. :wink: )
About five minutes into the trip, I noticed a distinct aroma of gear oil coming from the exhaust. I shut her down, and tried to peer around the back side of the motor to see if any water had been coming from the weephole on the head. If there had been, I couldn't see it. There was some smoke, though. I decided that I'd have to try to look at it while it was moving to check on the passing of coolant. From what I could see, there was an intermittent stream while the gears were clutched, but none while they were engaged. I wrote this off to the depth of the prop, and elected to run her at half throttle back to shore. While wrapping the cord, I felt a high degree of heat coming from the fuel tank area. Upon closer inspection, I found the tank to be warmer to the touch than I was comfortable with. With visions of my wife reviewing my explosive end on video during her retirement years (and possibly posting it on YouTube), I decided to wait a little while to allow it to cool off. Once it was cool to the touch, I pulled the rope again. This time, it took two pulls. I checked the fuel, and noticed that the 1/4 tank I'd started with was almost done.
Refueling a Seagull on a lake turns out to be quite the adventure, particulary since two kids on Bombardier jet skis saw me apparently adrift and did several drive-bys to either satisfy their curiosity or to try and tip me over in their wake. I'd forgotten to bring a funnel, and fought to steady the boat enough to pour the dark blue goop/gas mix into the brass tank. I missed, and put a nice 3 oz. petroleum slick on the erstwhile pristine reservoir. Eventually, I had a full tank of fuel...and had created a number of new verbal obscenities in the process. I'll spare you further details on those, except to say that there is no hard evidence that jet ski operators have any type of relations with canines other than your everyday, casual man-dog type...but heat-of-the-moment anger takes me to weird places. :)
She started up on the second try again. I felt a drop in performance after about five minutes of mid-throttle, like it was fighting a steady head wind. My water circulation problems continued, and I brought her back to shore.
Final analysis? For a 32 year old outboard fished from a scrap pile, she shines like a superstar. She's got gumption, and gets the same spark from her original 8 com that she got when Ford was in the White House. The smoky reputation is overstated; any noticeable smoke came after I shut her down. I need to address the cooling issue before I blow the head gasket, and I need to find a way to mount her higher on the only boat I have...or put her away until something bigger comes along. Either way, I'm happy to have her.
I'd like to know more about the cooling processes on this motor. Was the stream continuity interrupted by the depth of the water pump? I imagine the deeper you go, the less efficient the intake of water would be. I'd also like to know if it's possible to build up the transom vertically to accomodate the long shaft if the depth really is the problem.
We're set to move into our "new" house in mid-September. In the walk-in basement, there's a room with a workbench. That work bench will be the WSPCL's new home for the winter, where parts and manuals from a suddenly wealthy John Williams will aid me in restoring her to her original condition.
By the way...my eight year old asked a question beyond her years about the Seagull. She was mildly disappointed when I answered that, no, the Mayflower was not powered by this particular motor, and thus would make a poor "Show and Tell" item for her first day of school. :)
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I noticed right away that the prop was well below the recommended depth, nearly a full 14" from the water line to the pinch bolt. (It seems the long shaft is a little too long for the boat.)
I have run my Long Shaft Forty Plus way too deep like this - getting it started was a bit of a pig but once running I could drop it deep and it would run fine.


She was clutched, and had a irregular stream of water coming from the head, and a strong stream coming out of the drive leg.
Hmmm...a bit worried about that - could you describe where the water from the drive leg is coming?? Shouldnt be anything there at all.


I missed, and put a nice 3 oz. petroleum slick on the erstwhile pristine reservoir.
No problem, that heads down to NYC where it will help 10 Million people's digestion be more 'regular'


It moves to the right on its own, and needs to have a thumb on it to keep it going
No problem - many things move to the right as they age...you just need to tighten the screw on top of the throttle to tension the lever more


Just noticed you are Orange Cty NY, not CA...Im 2 hours up the river south of Albany...lets 'Gull sometime :D
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Cat...
Well...it's probably not the "drive leg". I got cute, using a term I was not familiar with. It's the smaller of the two tubes. Up near the block, there are two holes there, one on top of the other...it's almost certainly intended to have something come out of it, and I assume that would be exhaust. I didn't think it was highly irregular...until now. Should there have just been some smoke? The stream from the head could only be seen intermittently, and even then was more a spray than a stream. I think there may be some mild blockage there. I'll know for sure when I get her all apart this winter. I may not know the terms, but there's not much out there I can't take apart and put back together. It's not my fault if there's leftover parts when I'm done. :rotfalmao:
I've decided not to put too much of a strain on her until she's been rehabbed. There's no urgent need to, since it's more of an "extra" motor.
Orange County, NY...that's right! I know where New Baltimore is, since I work for the Thruway Authority. (There's a rest stop on the road named after the town, so it's up by Albany somewhere. I work in Nyack.)
I'll be moving to PA in two weeks, but the difference in distance is not huge. I doubt I could keep up, but we'll work on that next spring if that's okay with you.
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All is well with your water coming out...in true engineering fashion British Seagull, many years ago, were making motors and found that some cooling water leaking into the exhaust tube helps keep the tube cool to the touch, so it became an engineering feature.

Water from the head and from the exhaust tube is at it should be.

Good luck with the move - we will miss you in the Empire State but that PA is one beautiful place - reminds me of my roots near Wales in the UK....
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Post by albert »

If your motor is a WSPCL there is no water going back to the exhaust! All the cooling water comes out of a small hole in your cilinder. If everything is all right you should have a steady stream coming out of it when running at least at quarter throttle.
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Post by niander »

I didn't think it was highly irregular...until now. Should there have just been some smoke?

Yes! just smoke! .sounds like you've got a leak when you take off the exhaust it will all be obvious ...be careful running it like this it will overheat!...as has been said you should have a steady stream unless its just ticking over.
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Okay, let's make sure I have this right. My memory is failing me right now, and the outboard is up at my cabin- 100 miles from here. it's definitely a WSPCL. No question about that. The rest, I'll have to do from memory. I have the run on video right in front of me, with no way to upload. I'll have to illustrate this via written word.
There are two tubes. One is markedly larger than the other, and I took that to be the exhaust. The other is a smaller diameter, with two holes in it near the top...right above or below a knuckle that apparently allows you to shorten or lengthen that tube. (When the motor is mounted on the boat, this is the tube that's almost up against the boat.) The water was coming from the top hole. It was also coming from the head, although not regularly. I did note that the block seemed to be quite hot, and that there was a distinct aroma of gear oil, too.
As I understand it, the tube that had water coming from it is the one that has the coolant pipe running up through it. When I saw water also coming from the head, I assumed that some coolant was getting up there and that all was well enough. I guess I thought that the water coming through the holes in that smaller tube was extraneous, and was there to give the water not needed in the block someplace to go, like an overflow.
There's nothing to worry about. I don't think I ran her long enough to be a major problem, and she started up just fine when I was running the boat in for the night...but I'm starting to think that maybe she's got to come all apart to make sure I didn't start to melt the ring. A mere compression test wouldn't put me at total ease.
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Post by dinghydan »

Hi,you had it squared away along the right lines in your previous post.Your engine has a square drive tube shaft attached to the end of the crankshaft, it is situated inside the smaller of the tubes.This drive tube shaft then pierces the water pump impellor before connecting to the gear box. Cooling water pumped from the impellor is carried from the pump housing through a pipe, seen just above the top of the gear box, up internally through the large exhaust tube to the engine block. Water then circulates through the internal waterways in the block until it exits out of a small hole under one corner of the block. At idle a limited amount of water exits this hole but at anything above half throttle water should spurt out copiously,if not then you should assume that there is blockage within the block,leakage from one of the water pipe connections or the intake ports in the gearbox casing are partially blocked. Very rarely is it the water pump impellor. Check FAQs and past posts for tips on unblocking block castings.Dont worry too much about the water coming from the small hole in the drive tube,I have always assumed it is only there to drain excesswater that leaks naturally into this tube.
I hope that this helps in some small way to your understanding of this fine old motor, enjoy.
Kind regards Ray
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Post by niander »

Id say you have a blockage somewhere ,could be the block is all gunked up[if thats the case you may have to take the head off]
when my 102 was blocked up hardly any water came out the block and it actually came out of those drive shaft holes your talking about[thats because the water was finding the easyer way out...somehow ...but not cooling the block...once i unblocked the block :D all was well....try reverse flowing with a hose.
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We're getting closer and closer to the new house. The wife asked me this morning, "What are you most looking forward to? A bigger yard? Our own pool? The neighborhood?"
Honestly, it's the workbench. Where I am now, I have to do all my tinkering out on a picnic table. Yep, it's the workbench...which I've already determined can be bastardized to accomodate a long shaft with a few modifications.
I assumed some unseen blockage, particularly when I saw how gunked up the gearbox was. It wasn't your typical oil/water emulsification...this was a seriously chunky, white, gritty mess. It's not hard to imagine that the cooling tube might have some minor blockage as well. The important thing here is that some water was indeed getting up to the block, and coming out in the right place. Was it as much water as I'd've liked? No.
Don't forget: Someone threw this outboard out on the side of a highway, and it was picked up as scrap and thrown into the steel pile. I'd say she's shown some real spirit, just by starting up. Hopefully, with the manuals I'll soon be buying from John and the help of the brethren here, I'll have her operating the way she was intended to.
Can't wait to get started. I imagine I'll have to show some interest in unpacking, but the first chance I get- she's coming apart.
"Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys.
Look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death!"
- Sun Tzu
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