Saving Old Seagulls

Now I've been looking around the Seagull resources I see folks mention the 102 model as quite interesting... perhaps that is from a collectors point of view??

Are they as useable as the later models and do they have any particular quirks or any service bits you just can't get?

I have a spare 13' hull that takes a short shaft and was wondering about getting a 102 to power that for odd trips out on the river.

They usually have a clutch don't they?

Thanks,

David

from a collectors' point of view they are probably more interesting because they're closer to the original Seagulls, and they have a more 'classic' appearance. I - along with others on this board - wonder why they ever bothered with the Century series - identical capacity, quieter, and the only thing that's 'better' about a Century is the fact that you can take the head off to clean the clag out of the waterways.

The other Charles will tell you more - but he has me convinced that some of the 102 blocks have rather superior porting arrangements and are thereby better motors.

There's absolutely no reason at all why you shouldn't use yours.

Oh - the other good thing about a 102 is that it's easier to get the dents out of the tank!

Yes i love 102,s!
i notice some of mine appear to have the two large nuts in the side of the block [useful for getting rid of the crud]and some don't?...so do some blocks not have the nuts?

and whats the best way of removing the dents in the tanks?

Starting in the mid forties a few models had the screws. Not nuts, they're in fact identical (we think) to the early gearbox filler cap screw..

Best way of getting the dents out is to pay me an awful lot of money and I'll do a workmanlike job.

No seriously, find someone with a hydraulic hand pump. Fill the tank with water, attach the flexible hydraulic hose to the fuel tap thread, screw an aluminium filler cap on very tightly, and pump the dents out gently. Watch carefully for the parallel sides barrelling outwards, and stop before they do. Best to practice on a few first.

Lead load those minor dents that remain..

I have a 102 ACR109L
looks like it just has flat blanks in there no way of removing...or cast with no holes or was a nut...ground flat???

Just cast like that.

Some of them had the brass screws. Some had steel core plugs. But most were just cast solid.

Ah ok....not so usefull if needed...havent run it yet to know bout cooling as not complete...

I have a '46 or '47 102, ACR 98L, ( Hi Niander, maybe mine was made the same day as yours) . I was really lucky finding this gem, hardly any signs of wear in engine and gearbox, two small dents in the tank and every nut and bolt has undone easily. Methinks it has had an easy life in fresh water, the only thing that lets it down is lack of chrome and corrosion on the drive shaft tube. It performs eagerly , propelling a 16ft boat weighing a ton plus, effortlessly and very quietly.
I agree with Charles re the 102 vs century series, the only thing that puzzles me is why didn't Seagull use studs and nuts, as opposed to bolts, to secure the cylinder head on the century series, they must have been aware of the rather obvious corroding bolt in water jacket syndrome.

charlesp wrote:Watch carefully for the parallel sides barrelling outwards, and stop before they do. Best to practice on a few first.

Bit like ... "How tight should I torque this?.... Oh just till it shears then back orf a quarter turn!"


Sorry Charles; couldn't resist!


Peter

Ha! Yes absolutely.

Reminds me of my first boss, a few years ago, showing me how to assemble a flintlock duelling pistol. 'How tight?' was my question..

...'Not quite as tight as that' he said as a bridle screw head sheared off..

I have a '46 or '47 102, ACR 98L, ( Hi Niander, maybe mine was made the same day as yours)

ACR109L

Wow yea thats close yours made in the morning mine after dinner!

My 102 is a 1942 model serial no NS1, It gets a lot of use as it is my favourite outboard.
The longest run I have done is 5 hours in a day only stopping to refuel and retighten the carbie as it tried to fall off, that was only 4 weeks ago,
It is as reliable as my late model silver century, I also keep it reliable with preventative maintenance but it doesn't need a lot of it.
It pushes a 12' plywood lug rigged sailing boat fully loaded with camping gear

NS1 - do you mean SN 1 ?

If so can we have a photo?

how do you post photos
I always get the ns and sn mixed up

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