Introduction and is it treatable?

[Daxk]

Can I change the height of my Silver Century Longshaft? Its going to be too long and too deep otherwise?
Read a post about using a hose clamp??

[Daxk]

Finally got around to doing something, both motors now spin freely and have compression,cleaned out the carbs on both,put in all the new parts I got from John only to break the the older ones accelerator cable, so as soon as John gets back.... neith will start at the moment and I have no spark so tried the trick of the electric drill on one, still no spark, and as I am single handed at the moment will have to wait for mate to return to hold the Flywheel so I can get top nut off to check the points...
any other advice?
(am using the guides a s a bible)

[skyetoyman]

avoid the spinning /drill . It only works on villiers coils. If it does at that.
I have always removed the nut single handed. A good socket and a shart tap with a hammer usually does the trick. No need to hold the flywheel

[Daxk]

anti-clockwise, right?

[Niander101]

Yep normal right hand thread

[Daxk]

Maqybe I can get the mother-in-law to hold the prop ??

[Niander101]

She wont like that!

[Daxk]

True, she might damage the Prop.

[pat777]

Thanks Ray and Rosbullterrier, I use parcel2go often so it will probably be with them, thanks for the input, will classify them as used machineparts and get them strapped to a pallet, wrapping angular stuff in cardboard can lead to damage, I'm awaiting model numbers from the seller, so will know better what I have soon, I hope, both are complete but having had fuel left in them will need a carb cleanout and service reading the other threads.
what and how much oil do they use apart from the two stroke?
Thanks
Dick

Hey Dick,
Interesting that you shipped the seagulls over from Scotland to Ireland. How did the delivery work out in the end? If you don't mind sharing the information, do you recall roughly how much it cost to get them shipped over? I would have thought that the cost of delivery would have been prohibitive, mind you there is a much greater supply of seagulls at a much reduced cost across the pond, compared to what's on offer over here. Did you use parcel2go in the end?

Good luck with the restoration. I'm sure once you correctly gap and clean up the points that you'll get your spark. I've tried the drill trick on one of the seagulls and it definitely worked to re-magnetise the flywheel magnets. Before we tried the drill on it one of the magnets was okay and the other one had hardly any magnetism at all and it was much improved after the use of the drill and we got the spark back in her.

Cheers Pat

[chris]

have used the drill on old villiers ignition and it works fine, don't know what the problem is with this method, the seagulls aren't some fragile temperamental thing that need a special blessing to behave, mine get only the normal maintenance and get a lot of work and abuse.
Check the wire from the magneto to the points to make sure it is ok also give the points a good clean and regap as that sometimes stops the need of needing the drill, also take the plug lead out from the magneto hole and spray it with crc or whatever as I have had that get a bit oily at times.
The best thing seagulls like is a lot of use and when they are sorted out it doesn't take much to keep them very reliable.
I always manage to get the flywheel off single handed, I use a ring spanner for the dome nut and knock it off with a hammer, the flywheel I put a big screwdriver or a lever between the base and the flywheel and only put a very small amount of pressure on it, I know that sounds bad but the pressure is only a bit more than resting my hand on it and then give the dome nut a couple of big whacks with a heavy hammer, I haven't had one I couldn't get off yet, and make sure the piston is at the bottom or away from the plug hole

[pat777]

and as I am single handed at the moment will have to wait for mate to return to hold the Flywheel so I can get top nut off to check the points...

A boa constrictor might be a useful addition to the tool box........not the snake of course!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Misc-Boa-Constr ... B0001P0EUA

It's a useful tool for grabbing hold of/gripping the flywheel.

[Daxk]

Pat triple 7, I ended up with a palletising crowd from the UK which gave me superb service.Seller was kind enough to strap both to a small pallet and I declared Engines as spare parts rather than outboard motors and dropped the price to 60 Euro for both on a pallet, funny you should mention Boa constrictor, I was thinking Python...and not Monty either.
(I have one of those and will try it ,thanks)

[Daxk]

have used the drill on old villiers ignition and it works fine, don't know what the problem is with this method, the seagulls aren't some fragile temperamental thing that need a special blessing to behave, mine get only the normal maintenance and get a lot of work and abuse.
Check the wire from the magneto to the points to make sure it is ok also give the points a good clean and regap as that sometimes stops the need of needing the drill, also take the plug lead out from the magneto hole and spray it with crc or whatever as I have had that get a bit oily at times.
The best thing seagulls like is a lot of use and when they are sorted out it doesn't take much to keep them very reliable.
I always manage to get the flywheel off single handed, I use a ring spanner for the dome nut and knock it off with a hammer, the flywheel I put a big screwdriver or a lever between the base and the flywheel and only put a very small amount of pressure on it, I know that sounds bad but the pressure is only a bit more than resting my hand on it and then give the dome nut a couple of big whacks with a heavy hammer, I haven't had one I couldn't get off yet, and make sure the piston is at the bottom or away from the plug hole

Thank you, had not thought of getting piston out the way.

[Niander101]

Thank you, had not thought of getting piston out the way.

I cannot see what difference this makes?

[vk7hch]

Having the piston at BDC is recommended to reduce the sideways movement of the connecting rod and the big end.
Service sheet No 2 point 4 states: (capitals Seagull's)

"THIS IS VITAL: Remove the spark plug and rotate the flywheel until the piston is furthest away from the spark plug hole. Carefully retaining this position, get an assistant to lift up, and keep the flywheel lifted with both hands ...etc..."

Chris