Marston Seagull in the Bay

dinghydan · Post by **dinghydan** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:55 pm

There is an Marston ON advertised on Ebay, seems to be a familiar to me wasnt this one discussed on the forum in May? If it is the same one what a pity that members did not have the first chance to keep it within the club! After all the site does have a for sale listing. Lets hope the new owner will be a member or become one.
Regards Ray

niander · Post by **niander** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:09 pm

what a pity that members did not have the first chance to keep it within the club!

true.

ill be interested to see how much it will go for!

Hugz · Post by **Hugz** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:24 am

Glad this is in England. I don't think I could resist. Shame there is not a full picture.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... :IT&ih=001

Charles UK · Post by **Charles UK** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:18 am

If there was a full picture it might be possible to see that it did not have the original transom bracket & the carb looks not quite right, & is that a spring drive prop?
If it is it might well mean that the gearbox might be a later addition.
The fuel tap looks like it was changed at some point.
But at least hasn't been covered with paint!

It looks like a 70 year old honestish Seagull that was probably sold by British Seagull after they took over Marston, as an ON or OP with Marston decals has yet to be found.

So Marston Seagull unlikley, prewar finned cylinder 102 most definatley,
If anyone gets a look at this motor could they have a look at the JM number on the flywheel for Charles P.

Post by **charlesp** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:42 am

Charles, you're right it is a spring drive. Assuming it's not a DOP - one of the British Seagull conversions - then maybe it's had a new box. Didn't the OP's have all the nipples on the same side?

It is indeed a shame that the leg and exhaust are not shown, but there's probably not much to see there. I'd like a look at the prop - three bladed props for pre-war 102s are scarce, that one may be a rather later version.

Have a look at the flywheel from the top, Charles - are the rivets normally visible? (Can't be bothered to walk down to the workshop; after this weekend I'm all Seagulled out!)

twostrokenut · Post by **twostrokenut** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:34 am

Having read all this with some interest , I can confirm that this is my motor.
The prime reason for selling is , after a very brief foray into Seagulls , I'm absolutely fed up to my back teeth at all the "this isn't right , that isn't right"
I'm therefore selling of what Seagulls I have , and concentrating in future on restoring the other British stuff , that have found their way into my shed.
In many ways I would rather this motor go to someone who just wants a motor to use , as it's in perfect working order.
I've also just sold an OA , with FNR box , to a stationary engine collector , who merely fell inlove with it , and above all didn't read me the third rights as to what it was.

Andy.

Post by **charlesp** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:04 pm

I'm sorry you feel uncomfortable with an honest discussion of your motor.

I guess we won't see eye to eye on this point.

The whole point of this forum is discussion, and there are many who are genuinely interested in the differences between models - especially the scarce ones...

twostrokenut · Post by **twostrokenut** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:53 pm

Charles , I don't feel in the slightest uncomfortable , it is as you say a discussion forum , and as such we're all entitled to an opinion , just that ours differ , and there is certainly no lasting hard feelings.

Andy.

mrdraddy · Post by **mrdraddy** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:02 pm

I think the ownership of a seagull or two like so many other minority interests in life will always attract those people who are fanatical about there subject and will debate for hours the finner points of "correctness"as well as those that simply happen to have a old outboard that they want to keep running.Im sure there are many members of this forum that fall into both catergories.
I say hats off to both charles for there obvious enthusium.Im sure if they saw my humble collection they would find enough matterial to keep them going for days!!But i certainly wouldnt let there comments upset me or make me decide to sell up.Andy dont sell just enjoy

Charles UK · Post by **Charles UK** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:08 pm

Andy
Sorry if my post caused you to pound your keyboard, but I felt as this is a desireable early British Seagull the potential bidders that belong to this site. might want to know what they are letting themselves into, if they are considering a full restoration.
As parts for this series of Seagulls of which probably less than 500 were ever produced, are almost impossible to find, & anyone who does have the good fortune to have some of these bits seems to hang on to them like they are made of silver, myself included, I felt it neccessary to point out what they might be letting themselves infor.
If you PM me your phone number I will gladly ring you to discuss further.

Good luck with the auction

Charles UK

twostrokenut · Post by **twostrokenut** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:42 pm

Charles , again no worries , I'm GENUINELY in this game as a hobby and not to make money , the motor in question , has in my opinion , got a modest reserve set on it , mind you this is purely based on what I see other various motors , both asking and final bid price going for these days.
As you and others may well have noticed , some parts may appear non original , but at the end of the day , it's up for auction , if folk don't like the look of it , no-one is forcing them to bid , and I won't reach for the handkerchief if it doesn't sell.

Best Andy.