Water flow outlet on 102 series

[pat777]

My seagull 102 has the facility for connecting the water outlet out through the exhaust. The previous owner disconnected it from the exhaust and just left a pipe coming out of the outlet so that the water flow can be seen exiting the pipe. I'm wondering is it better to be left like this or should I connect it up to the exhaust again with a see through water pipe?

Obviously as it is now it's very easy to see whether there are any problems with the water flow stopping. Is it still easy to see if water is flowing,if it is connected out through the exhaust with a clear tube or is there more likelihood if the water flow stops for some reason that it might go unnoticed?

I'd be interested to hear whether in general other 102 owners leave the water pipe connected to the exhaust or not. I understand from reading the faq's that connecting the water outlet out through the exhaust can reduce the noise from the exhaust and also cools the exhaust. Have other owners found this to be the case?

Cheers Pat

[charlesp]

The water flow into the exhaust of a 102 goes through a union that passes some water into the exhaust and some out of it. You can see that there is a coolant flow even if the pipe is opaque or even metal.

I haven't heard of anyone disconnecting the pipe and I have no idea why anyone would!

[pat777]

Thanks Charlesp. I've just been looking through the faq's on sos and I came across this picture that illustrates what you've just stated. I'd imagine the problem I'll have is finding the proper nuts to connect it to the thread on the exhaust.

http://www.saving-old-seagulls.co.uk/fa ... %20002.jpg

Cheers Pat

P.s. @ Mark Wiggs; I wish my 102 looked like yours, a lovely specimen altogether!

[charlesp]

You will have no problem getting any of the bits - John on the main Saving - Old - Seagulls site will , I'm sure, be able to supply whatever you need. He's a nice chap, and he's on 01621 778859.

[pat777]

I've bought some basic items off John before, good to know that he's likely to have the items that I require in stock or be able to get hold of them.

Here's some pictures of the current set up. I'm a bit concerned that the threaded lug on the exhaust is turned the wrong way. It's turned in so the water flow will be facing the transom rather than the water flow exiting downwards. This outboard was once a long shaft and is now a standard shaft so that's possibly why the water outlet was not reconnected to the exhaust.

Thanks for the help,

Cheers Pat

[Niander101]

You can still connect a pipe easily but you need to turn the fitting on the exhaust 1/4 turn
may turn by spanner
worth getting the pipe would look much better and be quieter

[skyetoyman]

It may well be worth looking to see if the water pipe inside the exhaust pipe is fitted. Does a 1/4"copper pipe come out of the bottom of the exhaust pipe ?
Fuel tank and supports are wrong for a 102. Correct tank , straps and supports are usually on ebay .Not sure about parts of the Transom bracket either

[pat777]

You can still connect a pipe easily but you need to turn the fitting on the exhaust 1/4 turn,may turn by spanner,worth getting the pipe would look much better and be quieter

Thanks Niander 101, it turned very easily with a spanner, it's spinning freely 360 degrees.(Not sure if it should be doing that, I presume there is a nut inside the exhaust?) I definitely agree it would look much better if it was done right and it would be nice if the outboard was a bit quieter also.

[pat777]

It may well be worth looking to see if the water pipe inside the exhaust pipe is fitted. Does a 1/4"copper pipe come out of the bottom of the exhaust pipe ?Fuel tank and supports are wrong for a 102. Correct tank , straps and supports are usually on ebay .Not sure about parts of the Transom bracket either

Thanks for the reply skyetoyman. Are you talking about the water intake pipe? That's in place all right as the outboard is pumping water fine. Or should there be another copper pipe coming from the lug on the side of the exhaust and out the bottom of the exhaust? I can't see another pipe coming out of the exhaust outlet if that's what you mean?





Interesting to hear that the fuel tank and supports/transom bracket are wrong for a 102. I may replace them sometime in the future but for now I'm more concerned about getting the outboard up and running smoothly and reliably. I keep an eye on ebay from time to time. A lot of the sellers won't post to Ireland though.

Cheers Pat

[Niander101]

All there is is a nut on the inside...that's all no pipe
actually a hole for the exhaust gasses to come through in that fitting mixes with the water
all come out on the outside so you can see it cooling
clear as mud eh
Get the pipe off John 1 minute to fit
much better,,
Thats the cooling water pipe going up connects to bottom of block

[Niander101]

Its a bitsa but seagull did put some out
whats the engine number?
Has electronic ignition as well

[pat777]

Cheers for the clarification Niander101. I have a better understanding of how the cooling system works now, thanks for the input from everybody. From reading other posts, I see you lot publish your engine numbers freely. I'm kind of paranoid about publishing stuff like this on the internet for all to see. I hope your not offended if I just put up a partial number. It's a 1953-1954 model so it's a fairly old one as far as I'm concerned. Anyway the engine code minus a couple of numbers is "AD338**L". That code brings up the same information that I get when I type in the full code. As I've said in previous posts, although the code indicates it's a long shaft, it has been converted to a standard shaft.

The guy I bought it off said that he got somebody to change it to electronic ignition for him. I'm interested to know how you can tell that it has electronic ignition just by looking at a picture of it, I guess there must be something obvious giving it away. That's something that is going to have to be looked at also as the HT cable is a bit frayed so will need replacing but anyway that's another days work.

Thanks again for all the help,

Cheers Pat

[Collector Inspector]

When you get into replacing the ignition lead, it would be a good idea to pull the flywheel. Once pulled, electronic or not will be revealed.

Enjoy Your Gull.

B

[pat777]

Thanks for the advice Collector Inspector, it will be interesting to find out what's lurking under the flywheel all right.

Cheers Pat

[Niander101]

When you deal with these long enough its obvious whats what with these Seagulls
Yes its a bitsa but useful engine
You could get a recoil starter for the top
also a 12v charger if you desired