anzani pilot

[eddietheseagull]

hi everybody i have a anzani pilot im restoring i need some advice if anyone can help.i cant get any spark its not the plug as this is new.and if ur daft like me and pull the flyreel round and hold the ht lead you get a weak shock.has somthing else failed in the flyreel ie the coil or magnito or points.or can i spin it with a drill and socket to bring it to live i read that it can work in some cases with seagulls with weak sparks.

hope somebody can help eddie

[Keith.P]

Could have one or two.
Three screws on the flywheel undo them take off cover and clean the points first.

http://www.britishanzani.co.uk/Pilot.pdf

[eddietheseagull]

hi tried cleaning the points and still no joy.what other things would you recommend i should check or try for ?

[Keith.P]

Have you had the flywheel off?
Not knowing the condition of the motor, if is an old model or newer model.
Take the flywheel off and see what you've got first.

[eddietheseagull]

hi no flywheel still on its stuck at the mo so undone 4 screws and taken off the two covers to reveal the two holes on top of fly wheel and put some wd40 on the nut and crank spindle to try and get it loose after its soaked in a bit.general condition is exelent beleive it to be a 1960s anzani pilot 30 it has a black fuel tank and the crankcase and shaft is white if this helps give it ruff date age.also inside the flywheel it is clean and tidy do not think its seen much use and there are no signs of wear end tear on any nut bolts or screws so dont thinks ever been stripped down and serviced.before i got it it had been dry stored for around 15 20 years.i got it to use as spares for my other pilot but its way to good to do that as the only part thats missing is the fuel cap for the tank oh and a spark ha ha ha

[Keith.P]

Black tank and white led.
So its got a small tiller with a red handle.
Its always good to go though the electric's and test everything and then you will know what is wrong.

What tank cap are you missing.

[eddietheseagull]

hi its missing the fuel cap of the top of the tank and the 3 nuts n bolts to hold the tank on other than that i think its complete mine looks similar to your pictures mine has the same ring handle set up as yours its not got the short tiller with red handle.it has a slightly different trasom bracket and it has a zenith 13mxz carb and a 3 bladed prop not sure if this helps identify what year or mark it is.but have been told today its a mark IV pilot.

you have done cracking paint job and refit with yours.

cleaned and checked the points gap and the gap on the spark plug today to the gap sizes it says in the operating instructions still no spark is there any way of testing the coil and condencer without the flywheel off as this is still stuck and i havent managed to persuade it to come of yet

[phil]

You should be able to test the coil by taking a reading with a VOM from the spark plug lead to a good ground. If the problem is in the plug lead, then this is not very useful. As the others said you need to get the flywheel off to do a proper test. Then you could get a reading from the coil secondary [where the plug lead attaches] to ground which would at least tell you if the secondary on the coil is good.

[Keith.P]

The plug lead can be removed.

[eddietheseagull]

whats the best advice tor getting the flywheel off mine is stuck on solid dont want to go near it with pullers ive tried oil and wd40 and niether has helped i know in theory they should come like a seagulls but this one is not budging been tryink all week now.

solved the spark problem the yellow wire from the coil to the ht leed has broken away from the coil is this fixable if i can get the flywheel off?

[Keith.P]

I was some time ago that I pulled off the wheel, you could try a small three legged puller, but pull it from inside the flywheel, up close to the centre, so you don't distort the flywheel.
Just try to put pressure on the flywheel and then tap with a soft hammer.
I was under the impression that the flywheel nut pulled off the flywheel when undone, maybe that's the 5hp.

[eddietheseagull]

nice one i will give it a go.
managed to get the nut off just think the flywheel has been on there so long its jammed on and i dont want to break it as it took me two years to find this engine to make a good running engine out of it and parts i have from another anzani.maybe i should of stuck to seagulls but i wanted a change

[Keith.P]

Took me two years to find this engine

They are a very common engine, I have two and two 5hp with spares, it's the Minor that's not that common and as the pilot goes for around £30 and the minor for around £150 I don't think I will be splashing out on a minor just yet.

[eddietheseagull]

yikes the minor does sound pricey but would be nice one to to a collection.took me that long to get my second pilot coz i didnt have tinternet glad i do now got the pilot for just under 20 quid sounds like was lucky and got a good buy.
needed a new project coz ive been rebuiding 3 seagulls for past few months now there finished i got outboard tinkering withdrawl symptoms so thought id try a different make to add to my small flock of seagulls

[phil]

WD 40 may not be the most effective penetrating oil. A 50/50 mix of automatic transmission fluid and acetone was found to be equal in performance to the best penetrating oils marketed. You could apply some heat to raise the temp of the joint in question to 100-200C, then douse with penetrating oil. The heat should help to open up then pull in the penetrating oil. Also alternating cycles of heat and cold will often eventually break the bond.