This is Cool!

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https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Seagull-Out ... 0009.m1982

BnC

[Hugz]

Wonder if the dealer changed it to clutched. I now have an earlier 'D' with clutch.

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Thing is in that we do not know the actual engine number.

Clutch or no clutch from that aye.

BnC

[Hugz]

AD11201

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AD11201

Really?

BnC

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AD11201

I need better screen reading skills obviously

I blame Cello....easier.

Cheers

B

[headdownarseup]

I've asked A-J the same question before about this.
Is it a dealer thing, or was it an OZ thing? Were these motors shipped across the world in their original format according to engine serial number, only to be "retro fitted" by the dealer to have a clutched gearbox installed. More than once i've clapped my eyes on 102's like this that ended up down under and never really got to the bottom of it.

I've got a few just like this one

Nice chrome on it though, obviously well loved at one time in its life.


Jon

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I have been scratching my head about dealer thing or OZ thing.

Back in the day (OZ cos that local is comfy for me) actually having any retrofit new parts on the shelf just for a D to be a C seems somewhat extreme.

Then the D removed bits go back on a shelf for what? Converting a new C to a D?

Very expensive for both importer or local dealer of those years I think.

I can not imagine that local agents for BS would modify on the fly rather than just selling from either stock in hand or pre-ordering from the factory based on future sales projections...................or sumthing along those lines.

I reason that in this case the D top end needed the first available bottom end (due to some failure) to be a goer in the morning for squid.

Must have been a stuffed C with a good bottom end to the rescue.

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[Hugz]

Yes, I've considered the same line of thought. Perhaps to look at it in a different light.... The gearbox housing is the same, as is the torque tube, drive shaft, pinion and if I recall the crown gear on D's and AD's have the dog. So to convert what is needed? Spring, collar, fork, forward dog, clutch lever, clutch rod. Sure a quick drill and tap of the upper torque tube and yes, a clutch lever stud, spring and nut.

Jonathon, I'm sure, can give us an informed assessment of time and parts needed for the conversion. Which would explain why no surplus direct legs.

Just a thought.....

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Who's Jonathon?


Aren't the prop shafts a different length between direct drive and clutched? (clutched being slightly longer)

On the face of it, yes, a fairly straight forward conversion.
I can see it being a much easier and quicker job just to separate the box from the pump housing and fit a complete clutched box in one go rather than go to the trouble of adapting a direct drive box into a clutched version.
I wouldn't swear to it, but most of the torque tubes i've seen already have provision for a clutch stud, thus making everything that little bit simpler still.


Jon

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I would agree with your summation Jonathon. But we must consider the cost component of freight (lighter can be air freighted for quicker delivery) and cost of components themselves. Being in business myself for over 40+ years I would definitely factor in the costs.

I could debate whether the torque tubes are drilled tapped on direct drives. None of mine are.

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I would agree with your summation Jonathon. But we must consider the cost component of freight (lighter can be air freighted for quicker delivery) and cost of components themselves. Being in business myself for over 40+ years I would definitely factor in the costs.

I could debate whether the torque tubes are drilled tapped on direct drives. None of mine are.

None of my direct drives are either?

Who's Jonathon?

BnC

[Hugz]

The name Jonathon is a Hebrew baby name. In Hebrew the meaning of the name Jonathon is: Jehovah has given. In the bible Jonathan son of King Saul was noted for manliness; generosity and unselfishness. He saved David's life when Saul would have killed him

Sounds a bit like our Jon.... Marvelous chap.

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The name Jonathon is a Hebrew baby name. In Hebrew the meaning of the name Jonathon is: Jehovah has given. In the bible Jonathan son of King Saul was noted for manliness; generosity and unselfishness. He saved David's life when Saul would have killed him

Sounds a bit like our Jon.... Marvelous chap.

Of course sorry.

Are you sitting in a smoky cab with Tam by any chance?



BnC

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I think I will just win it on the Bay.

Not a problem.

I like it.

BnC