A hard to answer question

[AusOB_Collector]

Hi all

I was wandering if any of you would be able to put an estimated value on a 102 for me.

Basic info -
-In original crate
-With both manuals (original)
-running but needs a new fuel line

I know this is hard without pics, but the seller hasn't sent me any yet.

Any ideas appreciated.

Cheers
BP

[Collector Inspector]

How long is a piece of string?

Engine # and more detail aye.

You have enough info from your interests re old motors by the way........if you like it.....do a deal.

That is how it works...Gut

Never any regrets remember.

B

[Adrian Dale]

nothing is worth anything unless someone wants it... I have a few that have been given to me, a couple others I paid a little for and a couple more that I paid $$ because I wanted to, too much some would say, other not enough..... no help mmmh I thought not

AJ

[headdownarseup]

In my opinion (which doesn't always count for much) it would depend on WHICH particular 102 we are talking about.

I have a VERY BIG interest in motors from the early post war years up to the late 50's. Anything from this era might perhaps command a slightly higher price than those from a later period. Condition and provenance goes a long way for most of it's value.

A few simple questions you have to ask yourself.
Is it complete?
Does it run and pump water?
Is anything broken?
Has anything been replaced on it over the years? (sometimes parts get replaced with later types and this can affect the value) Originality is mostly what i go on when buying a 102.
When was the motor last used and how/where has it been kept in storeage? (damp sheds and garages don't do a lot to help things) Was the motor correctly flushed in fresh water and dried off before it was put into storeage?

Pictures help a huge amount, better still go and have a closer look at the motor. Take your own camera with you if the seller doesn't wish to take any for you. Get it out of its crate and onto a stand so you can fully appraise it! Have a good look at the crate too... check for woodworm.
(you wouldn't buy a car without seeing and test driving it would you?) same thing with a vintage outboard motor....


Difficult to put a price on something without seeing it first.
If you REALLY REALLY want it, buy it.
Worry about the price of it later on

Going by the prices recently on ebay, the dear old seagull often gets OVERPRICED ,sometimes vastly overpriced for a motor that was mass produced in their many thousands.

My advice, get some good quality close up pictures of the serial number,the fuel tank (especially both ends of the tank),the carb, the drive leg (the chrome will often peel off and show nasty rust underneath), the gearbox/prop (check for dings and dents on the prop). The usual stuff really.
Then make up your mind if you want to part with your hard earned cash. There's always plenty more out there coming onto the market sooner or later.


Keep us posted with any developments


Jon

[JERSEYMAN]

Judging from recent eBay activity there is quite a wide spread in prices

[Collector Inspector]

Boyd

You are keeping us old blokes in suspenders with this aye?

B

[AusOB_Collector]

Hi B

just got more info from seller -
Serial - TD95905
Standard shaft, direct drive.

It does have a dent in the tank, most seagulls do! so not too worried about that, I believe that the carb is the replacement AMAL 416 not the two-jet, so I may change it back some time down the track.
I am only very interested in this because of the price 50 GBP for it with the manuals and the crate, so it's hard to go wrong really, and there aren't that many over here in Aus anyway.

Am going to look at it on Saturday.

Cheers
BP

[Collector Inspector]

We feel better now.........took a Bex and a cuppa.

You missed something with the #?

Good luck with viewing 2morra Boyd.

Let us know how ya go aye.

B

[AusOB_Collector]

B

That serial is the exact one the owner advised. I checked, and it doesn't come up with a specific year on the SOS identifyer.

BTW, tomorrow is Friday.

Cheers
BP

[Collector Inspector]

So it is Friday.......Sorry Thursday is wine day.........well good enough aye.



B

[Adrian Dale]

Interesting re the numbers: TC and TD numbers do not go past 85000. after that they go to the year system to A3 ie 1963... so another anomaly?

Checked TD959A5 which comes up as Jan 1965 therefore I suspect the 0 in your code should actually be a letter stamped incorrectly or indistinctly

AJ

[AusAnzani]

Interesting Boyd,

I made a call re another crated TD in Melb a few days ago. No official markings on the crate so thought I'd give it a miss. Asking price on that one was/is $250.

The one you're looking at is worth picking up in my opinion. Crate alone would be worth more than that alone 9if in reasonable nick), so you'd be basically getting the TD and the manuals free.

Good luck with it.

[headdownarseup]

Yep, i agree that the serial number is not quite right. (easy to miss-read sometimes under the grime and dirt)

Basically a 102 direct drive,nothing too special about it. As you mentioned it should have the 46n carb and NOT the 416,although it will run quite happily with the later carb. Nice to keep things as they should be. Still a nice looking motor though.
Never seen a good enough crate with these motors before so this should provide some future interest for us.

The fuel tank will repair quite easily.


Send me a pm when you get the motor in your hands and i'll take the data from it (every little bit helps)


Jon

[AusOB_Collector]

Hi Jon

WIll do.

Can anyone enlighten me to what markings should be on the crate?
I assume 'British Seagull' and maybe the serial no. as well?

Cheers
BP

[Charles uk]

We never saw sea travel boxes in the UK, only domestic rail shipment crates that had "property of British Seagull" in black stencilled letters on a plain pine boarded wooden box, I was under the impression that these deposit refunded when returned containers were superseded by cardboard in the early 60's.