Ferrier 120 4hp

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Re: Ferrier 120 4hp

Post by Keith.P » Mon May 23, 2016 4:52 pm

Well I had a play with a Ferrier over the weekend.
Rebuilt it and cleaned it up a little, I didn't do anything to the tank, as I have no idea what colour it should be.

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Re: Ferrier 120 4hp

Post by Oyster 49 » Mon May 23, 2016 5:36 pm

Did it fire up ok Keith?

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Re: Ferrier 120 4hp

Post by Keith.P » Mon May 23, 2016 6:45 pm

It tried to pull my arm off at one point, I had the ignition 180 degrees out, so I gave it up, I will have a play another day, no reason why it shouldn't go, once its setup properly. :roll:

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Re: Ferrier 120 4hp

Post by AusAnzani » Tue May 24, 2016 2:01 am

Hi Keith, looks good.

I think the tank colour is correct.

Do you have any more photos? I'd love to see some of the tank and bracket detail if possible. This arrangement would be a fall back position for me if I continue to luck out on sourcing a wrap around tank.

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Re: Ferrier 120 4hp

Post by Keith.P » Thu May 26, 2016 8:19 pm

I have had it running. Out of the two coils, one was dead the other died after a short run, so I replaced the coil with a good one.
After a run, it will not restart, it kind of wants to kick back like the timings out, but its not, it will run if its left for a little time.
It pumps water, lots of water, so its not overheating, I will replace the points and maybe the carb and see if that helps.

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Re: Ferrier 120 4hp

Post by Keith.P » Fri May 27, 2016 11:10 pm

I think I may have found the problem, I went to turn it over today and found it was locking up, aha gearbox, pulled of the gearbox, no, its still doing it, maybe it's the flywheel, removed the flywheel and found that the key had shattered, but it was still locking up, so it can only be one thing, the heart of the motor, the crank.
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Now its all in parts again, always the way, the problem seemed to be intermittent, Just lucky it only broke a key really, shame as it was the bast out of the two crank's I have, it also looks like its been like that for some time.

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Re: Ferrier 120 4hp

Post by Oyster 49 » Fri May 27, 2016 11:19 pm

What's caused that?

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Re: Ferrier 120 4hp

Post by Charles uk » Fri May 27, 2016 11:28 pm

Tired crank, needs some expensive work!
Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.

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Re: Ferrier 120 4hp

Post by Collector Inspector » Sat May 28, 2016 2:54 am

Oyster 49 wrote:What's caused that?
Looks as though the shaft had a heavy knock sometime in the past......the bit sticking out has the same look as the rest of the crank.

Maybe pull the crank apart and start again?

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Re: Ferrier 120 4hp

Post by Nudge » Sun May 29, 2016 1:59 am

Is it pinned in place or just pressed?
If it is pressed you may get it to mve by heating the web (keep the heat away from the shaft) and wedge it back out. :idea:
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Re: Ferrier 120 4hp

Post by Keith.P » Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:14 pm

It's Alive

Well, what a pain in the proverbial this motor was.
Whatever I did, it would try and pull your arm off, so I gave in and put it in the naughty corner for a week or so.
First problem, it kept losing its spark, one minute it worked, next minute it didn't, out comes the multimeter, I isolated the points and I get resistance with the points closed, good, also when they are open, bugger, not so good.
It worked out that, out of three sets of points, two showed earth leakage from the points base plate.
Well that's now fixed and the points are sorted and it has a nice fat spark, it should be easy to get running, you would have thought so, what the hell, the thing is still trying to pull my arm off.
By this time it was IT or me and IT was winning so far, so back to the basics, did I put it back together correctly, eh, yes, has it got the right ignition, eh, yes, its the same as a Pilot, or is it, yes it is, the key way is still in place, so what could it be, so lets see if the key way is the same on the other flywheel, no it bloody well isn't, not by much mind you, but enough.
I changed the flywheel and it started first pull, I suspect it was a Pilot flywheel, ok if you are going to have a fixed ignition, but useless on a variable ignition Ferrier.

JOB DONE.
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Re: Ferrier 120 4hp

Post by Oyster 49 » Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:42 pm

Top work that man. Very pleased to see it worked out.

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Re: Ferrier 120 4hp

Post by Nudge » Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:07 am

So what did you do with the crank shaft?
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Re: Ferrier 120 4hp

Post by Keith.P » Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:46 am

I changed over to the other crank and crank case, it works fine, so it looks like I'm only going to get one out of the two running and only having one original flywheel, its never going to be right anyway.

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Re: Ferrier 120 4hp

Post by AusAnzani » Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:53 am

This is interesting Keith.

My Ferrier doesn't have an advance facility, and it doesn't look like it's supposed to either. The ignition plate is fixed to the crank case with 2 screws, and hence cannot move. See pics below - upper crank case assembly and ignition plate bottom left.

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What do we know about the various models available from Ferrier?

Thanks & Regards,

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