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OK, start off simple,
what outboard is it?
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Anzani Pilot
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Correct. Next...
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Wrong
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Ok you need more help.
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Keith, if that's not an Anzani Pilot, then it has to be a derivative there of.

All components shown so far eg Carb, Gearbox etc are same as those found on a Pilot.

Steering rail and pivoting tank mount also imply Pilot.

If not a Pilot, you'll have to tell us novices what it is.

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Its a Seagull outboard.
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I came across this motor years ago, looks like a Pilot, but is in fact a Seagull, I think you can work out where it was made, production from 1948-55.
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I have my doubts
Russia has copied a couple of popular western Europe outboards
so it looks to me that this is a russian outboard so a copy of the Anzani pilot
a seagull graphic on the tank does not mean that it is a Seagull ........or...........?
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It's not called an Anzani or even made by them, its called a Seagull, like the british Seabee that has about seven variations, all look like a seabee's and even use the same parts and are by totally different manufacturers and use different model names.
The Olympic, uses Seagull parts and looks very much like a seagull, but its an Olympic, I have an Archimedes penta U-22 made by Archimedes and not one made by Electrolux, I have an old Perkins, this was also made by Rootes originally and later by Anzani and my one its still a Perkins.
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Keith.P wrote:It's not called an Anzani or even made by them, its called a Seagull, like the british Seabee that has about seven variations, all look like a seabee's and even use the same parts and are by totally different manufacturers and use different model names.
The Olympic, uses Seagull parts and looks very much like a seagull, but its an Olympic, I have an Archimedes penta U-22 made by Archimedes and not one made by Electrolux, I have an old Perkins, this was also made by Rootes originally and later by Anzani and my one its still a Perkins.
G'day Keith,

If I get a chance, I'll dig out a link and post it here. Same outboard with the Seagull badge, owned by a Russian museum stating outboard is a rebadged Anzani Pilot.

Found it a long time ago, so please bear with me whilst I search for it again.

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OK, here's one link to view. http://forum.motolodka.ru/read.php?f=1& ... 5&t=857570

All in Russian, but if you click on the image links you will see these things are all Anzani with the exception of the Seagull decal and Seagull rope pulley.

Google translate will help find the reference to "The Seagull" being an Anzani Pilot. I just don't have the time right now to translate each post, one at a time.

I found this when researching Anzani Pilot prior to starting the resto on mine. A google image search for "Anzani Pilot" revealed an image, which took me to above link.

There was another set of images and reference site also, and i'll keep looking for that as well. I'm sure it was a museum of some sort.

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Translation for you. They make note that the pulley is two screws for the Seagull and 4 for the Anzani.. all else is the same. Good to see they pull out dents by either welding and pulling or drilling and pulling. This is made in Rybinsk? They have checked Bruce's YouTube!


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Photo of "The Seagull"
Author: Sportist (---.42.pppoe.mari-el.ru)
Date: 18-10-10 4:47


It seems to be such a topic was not. Amazingly beautiful, ahead of time the motor.

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Thank Forum - I have a farm bred two of "The Seagull." Plan to restore both to the original state. The truth is no one on the half native carburetor - someone that will advise what to put?

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Ignition done excellently compared with ML-10 - the most powerful pressure spring, no small replacement parts. on the flywheel magnet FOUR

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Piston looks very funny

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Management inlet - spool, but acts as a spool pin crankshaft. Moreover, it is hollow - within it by the mixture fed to the crank chamber. Lower sleeve crankshaft monstrous width

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Light-alloy connecting rod, not the magnet. No rolling elements at the bottom of the head is not visible - what type of bearing is unclear. Disassemble not raise his hand - keep the default PUNCHING. Although there is significant backlash hand - I think within 0.1 - 0.2 mm has not yet decided whether or not due to him, and how to disassemble the unit removed.

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Cylinder in "The Seagull" is completely cast iron. Motor is made with a huge margin of safety - in comparison with the shaky pins cylinder classmate - "Salute" a matter of respect. Once again, convinced that for fifty years in the design of low power PLM fundamental changes have taken place - to put ECZ, carb from the trimmer and ride.

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Here at last photo almost untrodden "Seagull" - is a veteran in the garage, his eighth decade. Alas, neither sell nor give does not want to. A pity ...

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This motor is in my grandfather's pictures only 50s preserved wooden boat had just been. Neither the cauldron, the progress has not happened. It looks like the engine is designed and made for a very long life, at such a tour around the world can go ...

Sportist and tea is not the case in our town was taken? Do you one more question as to the amateur vintage engines. Restores Kazanets LM 1 in my opinion, so there are no stoppers on proshne in the grooves under piston rings as rings is prevented from rotating during work and getting into the blowing box?

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Seagull Aleks71 first sent from Moscow. Second Bober from Rybinsk - the birthplace of all the seagulls. Kazantsev alas no idea. By stoppers - mass 2m engines does not have those - half small Moscow, all mopeds with engine D-5, D-6 and D-8. etc. Ring when the engine does not turn - it is easy to check - twist inserted into the cylinder piston with rings around its axis - rings remain in place, and the piston can rotate as many - if he essno without stops. The main thing in the assembly to deploy ring locks so that they (locks) do not fall into the zone of the purge / vent windows - so I'm always the first revolution of the crankshaft after the assembly are made by hand - if the sharply increased torsional rigidity - something is wrong.

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My, miraculously survived !!!

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1965 ...
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Totzhe year!

That's how her grandfather then repaired ... or kind of makes that repaired ... (this is every man his whims). At least, he has always worked motor !!!

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That's how she dragged the boat-chipped! Horseradish hijacking!

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Cool! I did not even know about such a motor.
I've been planning to have a 80-year-old fisherman asked 2 arrows. I saw when I was little, he takes them out of the house of his deceased relative. Most likely it is their true Collate cogs and all that could be used to repair the wind, but little if. And then, too, a rarity want, all the same Moscow and Forelle compared with arrows are not that rarities.

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Class! For old scans thanks - I collect them too.


++ All that could be used to repair a breeze +++

carba anything except just will not do. so do not worry :) Well you can still sparking Arrows man up to 2 cylinders

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Carb on wind nizya put strelovsky. Sportist thanks for the Old in the ring. will collect no stoppers but still like that of points, stoppers ride :) tea we sold for a thousand rubles a month ago, and ran nevzyal and caught fire right now so you will find now FIG.

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Light alloy rod in Seagull, "from duralumin punching," according to its manual. No rolling elements are not there.

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Exactly. And the backlash in the main bearing can not be selected. So - to score

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hanging in a museum in Myshkin

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Well, not really, and actually ahead. A copy of the British Anzani-Pilot 1948. In the first photo the farm has cooled. In the original, there is an interesting eccentric pump.

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but how beautiful! the second cooling native - the first is not yet understood.

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There is not clear why the collective farms ... there is nothing to break, and "impeller-gum" can be cut and the most suitable thickness of the rubber for 10 minutes ... Apparently there is not a native tree, samotochenny, no cam that moves the gum ... Sergey open pump ... I wonder what the collective farms ...

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Yes, I took the pump - and with its propeller shaft housing that does not want to appear ... yet scored - on operations with the head turned. even look immediately evident that this zakolhozhennaya Seagull went goraaazdo greater than the second, which is next to the photo. I thought that I was the first shot at it flywheel - and contacts do not intercourse. Tomorrow I will look into the pump - the most interesting ...

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Interesting pictures ... 4 bolts holding the plate run - is collective or not? all I had seen was 2 ...

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Probably still farm

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzhfS6Zo ... r_embedded

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Rokotov!
Hey, where are you ??? you take them
In terms -fotki.

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Looking at the photos I have a question, that was a seagull in a version with a long leg? The photo Sportist where both together is clearly a long-legged. Or it is folk art?

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On the Internet, all in bulk, I just cripple a lot of time, if you try and even more in the search engine Ask the right task, you can find a well, almost everything. :)

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Yes, Gulls were different - but in a version with a short leg - especially for kayakers. I have one just like that.

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Roars not be so about himself !!!

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By number mzhno determine the year of manufacture?

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> Yes, Gulls were different - but in a version with a short leg -> especially for kayakers. I have one just like that.
Wow ... That is because the Soviet government took care of the workers. That way Seagull or Boom and version SailPower have somebody there :))

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Date: 20-10-10 23:52

Roars not be so about himself !!! >>>

Probably can not, but I really disabled, the word some alien. :)

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Roars cripples many among healthy desisexyboy who do not live there and, as you live!
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Yes, I live at least try :)

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Live and try and help all favorite thing everyday nevzgovam.s Sincerely Tosik.

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Thank you!

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Re: Photos of "The Seagull"
Author: Grigorii (62.5.220 .---)
Colleagues, half an hour ago he won the perfectly preserved Gulls. Ee photos from the previous owner here: harly.narod.ru/chayka.html serial number ML20B12294. Not enough thrust bearing clamp and unoriginal top cover of the carburetor. Compression is good, there is no spark and feel a big gap in the gear wheel. Of course in the near future will be completely disassembled for bringing to the faithful to the original new condition and general pokraski.V just in case another looking for parts.

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Congratulations, that he wanted to buy a Seagull, but something felt sorry for money - where my third? Thrust bearing clamp or less turner will make in 15 minutes - I was in that time machined on the model, one was not there.

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> Naturally soon
> Time will completely disassemble to adjust to the maximum
> Close to original condition and new paint.
+++ I doubt very much that the copy needs to be painted.
Painting can be a deal-breaker (easily).
I do not collector (though how you look, go for motors in 1972, 75 and 77 years of release:-)), but it is not rarities it go. ), But it was necessary to carry out orders collectors (Russian and foreign) to restore Mechanics Automotive rarities. Especially nemchura choosy for painting. Hardly that - nose gate ...

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> Probably still farm

Gulls on the prototype - British Anzani Pilot was just 4 bolts startup disk.

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> I doubt very much that the copy needs to be painted.
He needs painting, tank and frame, other parts originally unpainted. Tank must be glued takzhe6 new label with a seagull, the original too shabby About painting I agree with you, if the paint is necessary to ensure compliance with the original 99%. With Seagull is a snap.
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And the plan to paint? the name of the color and brand of paint?

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Sergey, I do not know yet. With black as I understand it will be no problem, NC-11dumayu, and with silver to the tank is necessary to study the question. I bought it as a auto shop acrylic silver paint in the can, she had very similar and without gloss. And what was painted in the original, you have any thoughts on this? The second problem-tank on two dents. Ustanyat'll be sure and really do not want to do this putty. Is there any way to rectify them?

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I have one too dented tank - inside drilled a hole of 10 mm, and will squeeze out - until done. Metal terribly thin - almost crumpled by hand on the boom :( tank twice as thick. No fillers difficult to manage - you can try opayat solder and then vyshkurit? I do not digest Cartridges - once bought a Chinese compressor 3 thousand. And closed question painting. And in general a good thing - wheel pump, carburetors to blow ...

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No other way, or make a new tank

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Upload pictures of tank dents may prompt as little blood without drill ................

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I have a dent without sverlovik was not correct - or semi-automatic welded wire and pull it. Decided to drill - so reliable

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Did tank sidekick, right now, this theme has seen ottut: //debarkader.at.ua/forum/2-2-1 karoch see I can not put foty

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Photos tonight will try to do. Drilling until the arm is lying .... At the weekend I will try to hang on and make dinghy. Then begin to disassemble. Sportist-Sergei that labels do? Order where cutting plotter can be engaged in, or they do not make multi-colored?

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There Tipo and about pictures was posotritie

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Author: Sportist (---.0.relinfo.ru)
Pictures yet dull - there is one clue if done immediately show ...

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> There Tipo and about the pictures was posotritie
Thank you for the interesting link. There in particular are encouraged to use stickers with serigraphy. I called for the interest in one office, yes indeed make multicolored label,
but the minimum order is 5,000 rubles. For this purpose, it is too much.

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Author: Kfz 251 (94.76.95 .---)
Date: 10/10/22 1:31

Please! But there etaga type host club itself did so! I'm near them sechas in work and tipaeto see how they currently build and paint Call prop can make the picture and you!

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> It seems to be such a topic was not. Amazingly beautiful, ahead
> While the motor.

Shit motor deshovke. In what place ahead of time?
Aluminium rod working on steel, aviation drip lubrication, it is simply pipets. This Resur the main assembly of the engine for a few hours., After replacement of a rod in the best case.
Took and increased model aircraft engine.
Look for engines OMC those years, and see the difference.

And as history, certainly interesting.

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Probably already sitting and waiting ... Vadimka than it Chaykovody fling ... Catch a masochist ... from me until myagenko boots .... Sportist now add bricks .... (Resource few hours and you're my friend ??? motor saw something in his eyes that would have to judge ...? !!!!!!!!!)

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The film is about the restoration of Anzani Pilot in Australia: youtube.com/watch?v=BRuMQd5Xb60&NR=1

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Super ....... had ideas for painting your .....

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Took +++ and increased model aircraft engine. +++

Water cooled, cast iron cylinder and fins on the issue ??? oh well ...

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Moreover, it is hollow - within it by the mixture fed to the crank chamber.

So what?
This is not difficult.
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Quiz?

It failed for me in that not even a fair go from the start.

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I don't know if its just me, but I am having trouble deciphering this. :?
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