Little Forty.

This page is dedicated to the Little Forty models.

In it I include the (F), FV, FVP, LM, and LS (The 'F' here is not to be confused with the 'F' of the later Featherweight. To date we have not found an original 'F', they only appear on the engine numbers sheet for the first year, 1949.) March 2007! Mike Williams in Australia has sent me some mobile phone pictures of a 1951 model 'F'!!! They did exist! Better pictures to follow we hope. Now, 2014, we have several and I have one at SOS!

All These models had radically different engine to drive shaft attachment, they were clamped, so should be easy to distinguish apart from the later motors.  Sadly virtually none of the major parts are still available, so cannibalizing dead British Seagulls is often the only way to keep these running. When I say running, I do think it worth saying that these motors have now gone beyond there 'Use by' date and I would suggest they are mostly curios now. After all if you break it out there, you are not easily going to be able to repair it!

October 2017. Some hard to get parts are available!

Steel head and base plates, newly made in the correct thickness, limited number available £15.00 a set.

  Little Forty thrust bobbins, newly made limited number available. £10.00 a pair.



The following table has been compiled by Jeremy Prince my thanks to him for this.

If you have a Little Forty and wish to add information to the register,

please contact Jeremy using the contact form. Please click the button below (opens a new tab)


Letter

prefix

No.

Amal or

Villiers.

(No)

Throttle

Stop.

(No) Hole in Choke Shutter.

(No) Hole in Bowl

Stub or

Tilting

Length

(inch).

Dover

Grip

3 long +

6 short

GroovesGrip 6S

for later

grip with 6

grooves

Small Round/

Canted Oval.

Looped or ‘U

metal Fuel Pipe.  Plastic Fuel Pipe (Black/Clear).

Fuel cap:-

Short/Tall Ears Narrow/ Wide Slot

For LS:-Early 3/4" or late 7/16” rad ends.

Plain or In or For the World Cover.

(Half) Rimless Baseplate

 

Flywheel

Date.

3 blade

4 blade

Cloverleaf

 

For LS gearbox:-  number of inlet Holes

4” depth Plated or

Unplated.

 

5.4” depth

Security Bar on Port side.

Original Decal.

For F, FV&FVP:-1 or 2 piece Champion Plug Cap

 

 

 

F

100

From documents rescued from BS by John Williams, this would appear to have been the first engine of this series and was produced in 1949.

F

201

Amal*

S 5

DG3+6

SR

SENS

P RB

10/48

3C

4”P ‘inside’

Small block- 40cc. 2pc Champion PC. ‘3453’ Mag

Gloucestershire

F

341

Amal

S 5

SR

P RB

3C

4”P*’inside

Small block- 40cc

Holland

The 40cc engines have a bore of a+prox 38mm with a stroke of approx 35mm. Up to S/No 1080 they have a small block with ¼” studs. Thereafter the F, FV and FVP have bigger blocks with 5/16” studs and a larger bore of 45mm. They retain the same stroke of approx 35mm to give a capacity of approx 55cc.

 

VF

1065

V 7/16TS

NHC NHB

S 5 NS

SR

P RB

10/49

3C

Later

LFP

Large Block

Uxbridge

F

1082

A

S 5

SR

P RB

2?

4”P

 

Essex

FV

1166

V 1/2TS

S 5

SR

P

3C

 

OD-Seagull

Dorset

F

1207

 

S 5

DG3+6

SR

SENS

P RB

1/49

3C

4”P*

OD-Seagull. 2pc Champion PC. Non-webbed crankcase

‘3453’ Mag Baseplate

Gloucestershire

VF1325 was the last to be produced in 1949.

F1326 was the first to be produced in 1950.

The first and last serial numbers for each year are my interpretation of the data in the BS documents which John Williams has placed on the SOS site.

FV

1528

V

S

SR

 

 

 

 

On e bay

FV

1580

V7/16NTS

NHC NHB

S 5

NS Grip

SR

LFP

P RB

1/50

3C

4”P

Non-webbed crankcase

2 pc Champion PC

Australia

FV

1786

V 7/16TS

NHC NHB

S 5

DG3+6

SR  LFP

SENS 

P RB

12/49

3C

4”P

OD-Seagull  1 pc Champion PC. Non webbed crankcase

Gloucestershire

FV

1867T

V 7/16TS

NHC NHB

T 10

DG3+6

SR*  LFP*

SENS

P RB

12/49

3C

4”P

Webbed crankcase

Gloucestershire

FV

1884T

 

T Stub m/c off

SR  LFP*

 

 

 

Powerhead. Non webbed crankcase. T font is different

Bristol

FV

1958

-

S

-

-

-

-

Non webbed crankcase only

Gloucestershire

FV

2091

V 7/16

S

SR

In*

3*

?

 

New York

FV

2265T

V 1/2TS

T 10

SR

P

3C

?

ODSeagull

Dorset

FV

2306

V 7/16TS

NHC NHB

S 5

SR  LFP

SENS

P RB

3/50

3C

4”P

Non webbed crankcase

Gloucestershire

FV

2380

V 7/16TS

NHC NHB

S 5

SR  LFP

??????

P RB

5/50

3C

4”P

Non webbed crankcase

Gloucestershire

FV

2405T

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Suffolk

FV

2461

V

S NS

SR  LFP

P RB

3C

4”

 

 

FV

2549

V

S Long

Later PFP

F?In

4 Later

Later

 

Italy

FV

2682

V 7/16TS

NHC NHB

S 5

G NS*

SR LFP

SENS

P  RB

3/52*

3C

4”P*

Flywheel was 7/50

Non webbed crankcase

Gloucestershire

FV

2802T

 

T

CO

 

 

 

 

On e bay Oct 2013

FV

2821

V 7/16TS

NHC NHB

T 10*

DG3+6

SR  LFP

SENS

P RB

7/50

3C

4”P*

ODSeagull

Webbed crankcase

Gloucestershire

FV

2844

V

NHC

S NS

SR

P  RB

3C

4” P

Non webbed crankcase

W. Australia

FV

2886

V

S c10

SR   LFP

P

3C

4”P

 

On SOS site

FV

3048

V 7/16TS

NHC NHB

S 5

DG3+6

SR

P RB

7/50

3C

4”P

Non webbed crankcase

Gloucestershire

FV

3302

V 7/16

NHC HB

S NS

SR  LFP

P RB

8/50

3C

4” P

Non webbed crankcase

W. Australia

FV

3364

V NHC

S 5

DG3+6

SR  LFP

P RB

3C

4” P

2pc Champion PC. Repaired tiller. Webbed crankcase

Tasmania

FV

3481

V 1/2 TS

S Long

SR  PFP

P RB

3C

4”P

Non webbed crankcase

Australia

FV

4105

V

S

SR  LFP

 

3C

4”P

 

New Zealand

FV

4123T

V

T

CO  LFP

P

3

 

 

New Zealand

FV

4163

V

S 5

DG3+6

SR  LFP

SENS

P  HRB

11/50

3C

 

 

New Zealand

FV4342 was the last to be produced in 1950.

FV4343 was the first to be produced in 1951.

The FVP was introduced at about this point, FVP5131 being the first one to date, recorded on this list. The FVP was identical to the FV, except that it had the bigger 10:35 ratio gearbox with bigger prop, and longer drive and exhaust tubes. Also, probably about this time, the top crankcase was modified by the addition of a web above the cast aluminium tiller stub – no doubt to stiffen and thus enhance the crankcase sealing in that area. 

FV

5090

V 7/16TS

S 5

SR

P

3C

4”P

OD –Seagull

Holland

FVP

5131

 

S

SR

P

 

 

 

Holland

FV

5141

V 7/16TS

NHC NHB

S 5

DG3+6

SR*  LFP

P  RB

2/51

3C

4”P

Webbed crankcase

Gloucestershire

FVP

5425

V 7/16TS

NHC NHB

S 5

-

P RB

3C

4”

 

Holland

FVP

5428

V 7/16TS

NHC NHB

S 5

 

P RB

3C

4”

Stripped-not complete

Holland

FVP

5560

V 7/16TS

NHB NHC

S 5*

SR  LFP

P  RB

3C

P 4”

 

Hertfordshire

FVP

5608

V 7/16TS

NHB

S 5*

SR  LFP

P  RB

3C

P 4”

Webbed crankcase

Hertfordshire

FVP

5750

V 7/16TS

NHC

S 5

No G

SR  LFP

P RB

5/51

3C

4”P

Non webbed crankcase

Australia

FVP

5778

 

 

SR

-

 

 

Been restamped EVR

Worcs

FVP

5846

 

S

 

P

 

 

OD

W. Australia

FV

5950

-

S

-

-

-

-

Stripped down

Worcs

FVP

5959

V    TS

S Long

SR

P

 

 

 

On e bay

FVP

6046

V   NHC

S 5

CO  LFP

P RB

3C

Later

 

On e bay Feb 2015

FVP

6222

V

S & T

CO  LFP

 

 

Later

Clutch gearbox

Australia

FVP

6343

V 7/16

S

CO

In*

3C

P?

 

New York

FV

6347

V

S Long

SR

     RB

4C

Later?

 

On the web

FV

6353

V 7/16TS*

NHC NHB

S 5*

NS Grip

SR  UFP

P* RB

6/51

3C*

4”P*

Webbed crankcase

Gloucestershire

FV

6400

V 7/16TS

S 5

SR

P

3C

 

ODSeagull

Dorset

FV

6405

V 7/16TS

NHC HB

S5

DG3+6

SR  LFP

SENS

P  RB

7/51

3C 2H

4”

Webbed crankcase

Al impeller

Jersey

FV

6569

V 1/2TS

S 5

CO

P

4C

 

ODSeagull

Dorset

FV

6798T

V

T

CO  PFP

 

3C

4”P

 

You Tube

FVP

7135

 

S 5

DG3+6

 

 

 

OESL

 

New Zealand

FVP

7739

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

New Zealand

FVP

7751

V     TS

NHC NHB

S 5

CO  LFP

P  RB

3/51

3

 

OESL

New Zealand

FVP

7767

V  TS

S –T (NS)

SR  LFP

P  RB

11/51

3

 

OESL

New Zealand

FVP

7837

 

 

None

 

 

 

 

Australia

FVP

7893

V NHC HB

S 5

SR  LFP

P RB

3C

4”P

OESL Later head

Australia

FVP

8035

V 7/16

NHC NHB

S 5

SR  LFP

P RB

3C 2H

4”P

Plastic CR

OESL   2pc Champion PC

Webbed crankcase

Scotland

FVP8041 was the last to be produced in 1951.

FVP8042 was the first to be produced in 1952.

FVP

8090

V

NS

Later

Later

PB

Later 4”?

Later

OESL

Holland

FV

8222

V7/16   TS

NHC HB

S 5

SR  LFP

In

3C

4”P

OESL

Notts

FV

8250

V7/16

NHC NHB

S 5

DG3+6

SR  LFP

SENS

P  RB

3C

4” P

OESL   Webbed crankcae

Fife

FV

8297

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

e bay Sept2013

FVP

8925

V 7/16TS

NHC*NHB

S 5

DG3+6

CO*  UFP

SENS

P RB

3/52

3C

4”P

OESL  

Gloucestershire

The Engine Support Lug, according to the BS parts list, was changed at S/No.10000. The original ones are described in the parts list as ‘Engine Support Lug fitted to bottom half of crankcase’ and were fitted up to 10000. The later ones were described as ‘Engine Support Lug fitted to top end of Transmission Casing Tube’ and were fitted from engine number 10000 upwards. I am therefore now only recording the type of Engine Support Lug for those engines with serial numbers in the range 7000 to 13000 and using the acronyms OESL (Original Engine Support Lug) and NESL (New Engine Support Lug).

We can speculate that the Original Engine Support Lug (OESL) was possibly last fitted in the 9000s, and the new Engine Support Lug (NESL) was probably first fitted at 10000. This probably means that not all the numbers in the 9000s were allocated, and indeed, to date, the recording of known engines before 10000 seems to come to a halt at 8925.

FVP

10021

V 7/16TS

NHC HB

S 5

SR

P  RB

3C

P 4”

NESL  UFP

Greece

FVP

10048

 

S

 

 

 

 

NESL  Crankcase only

On e bay

FVP

10090

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Notts

FVP

10152

V

 

CO

Wipac

 

 

 

Suffolk

FVP

10327

V

S 5

NS Grip

CO  UFP

SENS

P  RB

3C

NESL

 

e bay March2016

FV

10349

V

S

SR

 

3C

 

NESL

 e bay July 2014

FVP

10422

 

T 10*

 

P HRB

5/52

3C  2H

 

NESL

Gloucestershire

FVP

10495

V 1/2

S 5

CO

NSPFP(B

P RB

4

Later

NESL

Cheshire

FVP

10528

 

S then T

SR

 

 

 

1952 owner was Mr F Peters. Modified to T by BS in 1955

St Mawes

FVP

10562

V

S 5

CO

P RB

4C

Later

NESL

On e bay Mar 2015

At approx this point, the Long(er) Stroke LS was introduced; producing a capacity of 64cc whilst retaining the same 45mm bore as the FV/FVP. It had a different, bigger crankcase to the FV/FVP and was the first engine of this capacity.  It utilised the big 10:35 ratio gearbox with prop, and long tubes from the FVP which it appears to have replaced.

S/No 11413 is the earliest LS of which I have a record. It is perhaps possible that the LS was introduced at around S/No 11000; or it might have even been at 10000. I suspect that the New Engine Support Lug (NESL) which locates around the drive shaft tube, was present from the start on this model.

The parts list also infers that the Stub Tiller was not fitted after 11000. The evidence collected here would support that inference.  The evidence would also suggest that the tilting tiller was possibly never an option on new FV/ FVPs. With the introduction of the LS, all tillers appear to be tilting. Earlier FV/FVPs appear to be sometimes fitted at overhaul/repair with a tlting tiller.  This must have been especially so, when stocks of crankcases with tiller stubs were no longer available after 11000.  The use of the ‘T’ suffix appears to be inconsistent; probably due to which company carried out the repair.

Other changes which might have occurred at about this point were:-

1. The change to the magneto from a Rimless Baseplate (RB) to a Half Rimless Baseplate (HRB) ie a rim was added around half of the baseplate.

2. The introduction of the drain Hole in the top of the Bowl (HB) of the carburettor.

3. The introduction of a small air Hole in the Choke shutter (HC).

4. The metal ‘UFuel Pipe (UFP), superseding the Lopped Fuel Pipe (LFP).

FVP

11267

V 7/16 TS

NHC HB

T Later

CO PFP

F  RB

4C

Later

NESL

Australia

FVP

11296

 

 

 

 

 

 

Crankcases driveshaft tube

Australia

FV11364 was the last to be produced in 1952.

FV11365 was the first to be produced in 1953.

LS

11413

V

T

 

 

4

U

NESL

e bayApril2014

LS

11510

V  HB

T

 3/4"

P

 

 

 

SOS Site

FV

11716

V 7/16TS

HC HB

T 10

CO*

UFP*

P RB

3C

4”P

NESL

Bristol

LS

11751

V7/16TS

HC HB

T 10

3/4"

   HRB

4C 2H

4”P

Dismantled and bits sold

e bayJan2015 Kent

LS

11755

V      NHC

T 10

3/4"

NS FP

P  HRB

4C  3H

None

CBPH  NESL

On e bay Feb 2015

FV

11973

 

T

 

 

 

 

NESL c’case assy only

Gloucestershire

FV

12460

V

T

3/4"UFP

In

4C

UL

NESL

e bay Aug2014

FV

12508

None

T?

None

 

 

 

NESL. Dismantled/Scrapped

Fife

FV

12644

V  TS

 

-

P  HRB

4/53

-

-

NESL P’head only

Gloucestershire

LS

12667

V 1/2

T 12

 

P  HRB

1/53

4C

 

NESL

Canada

FV

12828

 

T Long

SR

 

3

U

NESL

On the web

LS

13081

-

T

-

-

-

-

Crankcase assy

Gloucestershire

LS

13824

V 1/2TS

T 10 Dover Grip

3/4"UFP

    HRB

4C

 

 

Dorset

LS

14248

-

-

-

-

-

-

Crankcases only

Cornwall

FV

14847

V

T

CO

In

3C

 

 

e bayAug2014

FV

14942

-

T

-

-

-

-

Crankcase only

Hertfordshire

LS

15046

 

T

 

 

 

 

Powerhead assy only

e bay Nov2014

LS

15703

V

T

3/4"

In

4C

Fixed

 

SOS site

LS

16445

V 7/16

NHC

T 10

DG3+6

3/4”

NSPFP

In HRB

4C 2H

5.4”SBPort

NESL

TPH

e bay Mar 2015

Australia

LS

16727

V  NHC

T  NS

7/16

PFP(B)

For

4C

Later

NESL  TPH

e bay Feb2016

LS

17028

 

 

 

 

 

 

NESL

New Zealand

LS17828 was the last to be produced in 1953.

LS17829 was the first to be produced in 1954.

LS

18407

V7/16NTS

HC* HB*

T 10

3/4"NS?

UFP

In HRB

1/54

4C  3H*

5.4” SBPort

 

Tasmania

LS

18849

V 7/16NTS

HC HB

T 10

Long range

UFP

In    HRB

4C 2H*

5.4”SBPort

 NESL  TPH

Bristol

FV

18928

V

T

SR

Not P

3C

 

 

e bay June2014

LS

19267

V HB

T

Long range

PFP(B)

In HRB

4C

5.4”SBPort

Cotton reel

Straight Villiers Lever

e bay Mar 2015

FV

19304

 

 

None

 

 

 

 

Holland

It was possibly around this point that the metal ‘U’ Fuel Pipe (UFP) was replaced by the Plastic Fuel Pipe (PFP).

FV

19309

V 7/16NTS

NHC  HB

T 10

CO

LFP*

In HRB

to RB*

3C

5.4”SBPort

 

Greece

LS

19441

V

T 10

7/16” PFP

In

4C

5.4”SBPort

TPH

Hampshire

FV

19742

V

T

CO

 

4

?

 

e bayApril2014

LS

20964L

V 1/2

T 10

3/4"

 

4C

 

TPH OD-Sailorman

Dorset

LS

21487

V

T

 

 

4C

?

 

e bayApril2014

LS

22367

V

T10

NS G

3/4”

NSPFP

In or F

HRB

4C

5.4”SBPort

Cotton reel

TPH

e bay Oct 2015

LS

22689

 

 

 

 

 

 

In bits

e bayAug2014

It is possible that approximately around this point the LS 3/4" radius tank (of dims L=10.45 W=4.47 H=3.09) was replaced by the 7/16” radius one (of dims L=10.00 W=5.00 H=3.39). These dims recorded here are based on measuring just a few dented tanks, so should be used with great caution.  It is worth noting that the FV/FVP canted oval tank has the same overall dimensions as the 3/4" radius tank. It is probably that the FV/FVP canted oval tank was developed after the introduction of this first horizontal LS tank. Indeed the roots of this first LS tank can be traced back further, as the first tank in this range – the small round tank - had the same length of 10.45 and diameter/height of 3.09.

LS

22721

V

T

Later PFP

 

4 Later

Fixed

TPH

e bay Oct2014

LS

22741

 

T

 

 

 

 

Powerhead only

e bay Nov2014

LS

22768

V7/16 NTS

HC HB

T 10

DG3+6

7/16”

In HRB

4C  2H

5.4”SBPort

TPH   Very little use

Greece

LS

23321

V

HC HB

T10

Not DG

7/16”?

PFP(B)

In HRB

4C Slots

Later

TPH

e bay Mar2015

LS

24100

V7/16NTS

HC HB

T 10

7/16"

PFP(B)*

In HRB

4C  3H

5.4”SBPort

TPH

South Africa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It would appear that around this point, the Clamp Bolt Pump Housing (CBPH) superseded the Threaded Pump Housing (TPH).

I am therefore now only recording the type of Pump Housing for serial numbers in the range 20000 to 30000.

LS

24747

V7/16 NTS

HC HB

T 10

DG3+6

7/16”

PFP(B)

In HRB

8/54

4C 3H

 

CBPH

Tasmania

LS

26125

V7/16NTS

HC HB

T 10

DG3+6

7/16”

NSPFP

In HRB

10/54

4C 3H

5.4” SBPort

CBPH

W. Australia

LS

26743

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NSW

LS

26748

V

T 10

DG3+6

7/16”

PFP(B)

   HRB

4C 3H

 

CBPH

NSW

LS27084 was the last to be produced in 1954.

LS27085 was the first to be produced in 1955.

LS

27489L

V7/16NTS

HC HB

T 10

 

   HRB

4C

?

CBPH OD-Seagull

Holland

LS

28457

V

 

Later

PFP(B)

 

4C

Later

CBPH

e bay Sept2014

LS

29086

V

T

Later PFP

In

4C

Later

CBPH

e bay Aug2014

LS

29789

V     NTS

HC  HB

T 10

DG3+6

PFP(C)

In HRB

 

 

CBPH Dismantled and parts sold

e bayMarch2016

LM

29941

V7/16NTS

HC HB

T 10*

DG3+6

7/16”*

TEWS*

PFP(B)

In HRB

3/55

4C(6”)

5.4”SBPort

CBPH

 

Gloucestershire

The LM is identical to the LS except it has the small 10:21 ratio gearbox and smaller prop and the shorter drive shaft and exhaust tubes as per the FV. This production numbered LM does prove conclusively, if that was ever required, that the LM existed as a production model.

LS

30121

V 7/16

T

 

In*

4C

Later

 

New York

LS

30581

V    NHC

T NS

7/16”

PFP(B)

In/For

NS

Later

 

e bayMarch2015

LS

31003

V7/16NTS

HC HB

T 10

7/16”

PFP

In

4C

UL

OD

Australia

LS

31101

V HB

T 10

7/16”

PFP(B)

In

4C 3H

5.4”SBPort

 No Dover Grip

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Australia

LS

32668

V

T 12

7/16”PFP(C)

BE?S

For

4C

5.4”SBPort

 

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LS

33186

-

-

-

7/55

-

-

Powerhead

Gloucestershire

LS

34640

 

T

 

In HRB

4 Later

Later

 

Gumtree Australia

LS35003 was the last to be produced in 1955.

LS35004 was the first to be produced in 1956.

LS

35222

V HC

T 10

7/16”PFP(C)

 

In HRB

4C

None

 

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LS

35744

V7/16NTS

HC HB

T 10

7/16” PFP

In HRB

4C  3H

?5.4”SBPort

Plated*

 

Bristol

LS

36402

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kent

LS

36688

V7/16NTS     HC HB

T 10

No Grip

7/16”

PFP(C)

For HRB

4C 3H

5.4”SBPort Ali thrust now CR

 

Bristol

LS

36748

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Australia

LS

37648

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rebuilt by Classic Seagulls using crankcase from LS14248 inFeb2016

 

LS

37845L

V

T 10

7/16”PFP(C)

FoHRB

4C

Later

 

LythamStAnnes

LS

37902

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fife

LS

38087

V

T 12

Later PFP

Wipac

Later 3H

Later

 

Fife

LS38324 was the last to be produced in 1956.

LS38325 was the first to be produced in 1957.

LM

383R

V 1/2TS

RH Choke

T 10

3/4”

 

4C

 

CBPH NESL

OD-Sailorman

Dorset

FVP

None

 

 

 

 

 

 

Serial number is not stamped

Australia

LS

38344

From documents rescued from BS by John Williams, this would appear to have been the last engine of this series

These notes are to assist in understanding the information in the Data Sheet. The columns in the table are headed:-

1. Model
This consists of F, FV, FVP, LM or LS.
2. Serial Number
The unique serial number of each engine.
3. Carburettor.
Amal carbs are recoded as A and Villiers as V.
Some of the details of the Villiers are recorded:-
a) Throttle Stop. The two carb tops in the bottom of the photo show the 0.12 spigot which appears to act as a Throttle Stop. It is recorded as TS, or if it is not present as No Throttle Stop, NTS.
b) Hole in Choke. If the choke shutter has an air hole it is recorded as HC or if there is no air hole it is recorded as NHC. In the photo the top shutter is HC.
c) Hole in Bowl. If the float bowl has a drain hole near the top of the bowl as shown in the photo it is recorded as HB and if no hole is present as NHB
4. Tiller.
The type and length are recorded. Stub tiller as S and tilting tiller as T, followed by the length in inches.
a) Grip. If there is a Dover grip as in the top of the photo, which has 3 full length long grooves and 6 short centrally positioned grooves, it is recorded as DG3+6. Other grips will be recorded as G plus their description. The lower grip in the photo is possibly a later one. It is a lot smoother and has no Dover identification and with 6 shallow grooves, so it is recorded as G 6S.
5. Tank
The photo shows 4 types of tanks. From left to right they are:-
a) Small Round - SR as fitted to F, FV and FVP.
b) Canted Oval - CO for F, FV and FVP.
c) The early LS oval tank wth the large edge rads of approx. 3/4".
d) The later LS oval with the smaller edge rads of approx. 7/16".
The photo shows 4 types of fuel pipes. They are:-
a) In the top right is the Looped Fuel Pipe. Recorded as LFP.
b) In the top left is the metal 'U' shaped Fuel Pipe. Recorded as UFP.
c) In the bottom left is the Black Plastic Fuel Pipe. Recoded as PFP(B).
d) In the bottom right hand is the Clear Plastic Fuel Pipe. Recorded as PFP(C).
The photo shows 2 types of Fuel Caps. The slot referred to is the slot in the top of the bleed screw.
a) On the left is the Short Ear Narrow Slot version, in which the slot width is 0.10 and the height of the ears is approx. 0.35. Recorded as SENS.
b) On the right is the Tall Ear Wide Slot version, in which the slot width is 0.12 and the height of the ears is approx. 0.45. Recorded as TEWS.
6. Magneto
The photo shows Magneto Covers and Magneto Baseplates.
a) In the top left is a Plain Cover. Recorded as P.
b) In the top right is a Cover stating 'The best outboard In the World'. Recorded as In.
c) In the bottom left is the Rimless Baseplate. Recorded as RB.
d) In the bottom right is the Half Rimless Baseplate. Recorded as HRB
Flywheel
The date of the Flywheel is shown as the last few digits at the end of an ident number, stamped as shown in the bottom of this photo, as a month and year. In this example it is 7 -50 ie July 1950. Recorded as 7/50.
7. Propellor.
The number of blades and their shape are recoded. A three blade Cloverleaf is recorded as 3C.
For the FVP and the LS the number of water inlet holes, which is either 2 or 3 are recoded.
8. Transom Bracket.
There were three different types:-
The early 4" plated one on the left with the thumbscrews on approx 2.25"centres. Recorded as 4" P 'inside'.
The later 4" plated one in the middle with the thumbscrews on approx 3.102 centres. Recorded as 4" P.
The larger 5.4" engaged depth, with a 13/4" opening and the security bar on the port side on the right hand side. Recoded as 5.4"SBPort.
9. Miscellaneous.
This column is used for a variety of different information.

A. The Engine Support Lug.
The Original Engine Support Lug (on the left in the photo) is recorded as OESL. The New Engine Support Lug (on the right in the photo) is recorded as NESL
B. The extra web on the top crankcase.
This additional web, as seen on the unit on the left in the photo, was added just above the stub tiller mounting point. It is being recorded as 'Webbed crankcase'. The earlier crankcase, without the web as seen on the right is recorded as 'non webbed crankcase'.

  

This little FV has been beautifully restored! It has the 'T' suffix to denote it was fitted with the optional tilting tiller!

 

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Here for comparison are an SJP and an F of much later mark, Difficult to see the differences, but there are quite a few. Other than the internal ones, the props were different as were the crankcases and the tillers. Note these now have the cast tiller pivot on the case with a cast handle end.

Thankyou Charles for all of these!


Of course the motor was developed into the  forty Series later, that became the most popular means of propelling dinghies in Britain in the 1960's and 70's and I still use one today.
Note the Seagull featured on page 3. It is the very rare 'F' with the tiny Amal carb and 2 blade prop. Only ever seen 2 of these.
August 2014, now I have one of my own, original and almost unused


From Charles Palfreeman, these diagrams and instructions on the FV and LS

     
These are all courtesy of Charles Palfreeman!

Matthew Perring's Little Forty a FV model.
       


You have to admit that is a nice little British Seagull!
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The Choke assembly below was brought to me in a box of Little Forty parts, but it is not from any Forty model I have seen. Can you identify it.??

These parts, an Amal carb with a fancy choke assembly and an old tank, were brought to me by a customer. I reproduce pictures of them here just for interest. They are supposed to come from a 'Little Forty', but I thought all those models had Villiers Carbs? anyone know different? Has anyone else seen one like it? 2014, I now have a model F with one of these, by all accounts one of the last fitted with this carb.

 


 

Charles tells me he has seen an advert depicting something similar on one of the first Little Forty's, so they did have the Amal carb in the beginning

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The tank is typical of the early little forty models.

John, SOS

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baby British Seagulls

1951 Advert for the 'Baby British Seagulls' from Steve in Australia

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These photos have been supplied by Charles Palfreeman of some of his flock of Little forty models.

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The first pic above shows the different crankcase and the long studs, together with the odd lugs on the head to take those little tanks.

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The next show how different the blocks are, you can see straight through them! Very open waterways ands the studs holding the head passed through this.

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The studs suffered as a result, this is typical of the problems they had. The metal plate, a steel sheet, was the seal between the jacket and the crankcase!

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Here is an early Little forty with a bronze water pump rotor, and a slightly later one with an Ali one, later to be plastic of course.

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This un restored motor shows the different tiller handle fitted and the old style Villiers throttle lever. note also the metal fuel pipe.

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Here Charles is displaying a 'LS' longshaft, as received with incorrect tank, a 'FVP' and a much later 'F', note the fuel pipes are different on all three..

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Al Girling dealt with me many moons ago and has sent me a link to his website, where his restored LS can be seen!

http://al.sdf-eu.org/maib.html


little26

This booklet copied for me by Tony Dellaway, sadly much of it is the same as the current one, so copyright... Thanks anyway Tony.